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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by slownews45 »

I want a super small pickup truck. My neighbor has a very old truck, it's SMALL (only font seats, no "cab", smaller width, height and everything) So they used to make smaller trucks.

I'm serious. I just need room for myself, occasionally one other person, and random crap (canoes, boats etc on a rack in back, garden, house, etc crap in bed). We have a family car for the whole family. This could be uncomfortable and small (and ideally cheep) but obviously no market for that or it would be out there. What's smallest pickup currently sold in US?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by crooked-v »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #603
whymauri wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. I got a rental car recently and they gave me a bright red pickup because it was the fastest option. I was surprised by the good vibes I got from all the other pickup drivers, lol. It's like I got inducted into a secret club for a day with a lot of waves and thumbs up. A woman went up to my group in a parking lot and said something like "Hell yea…

Story time: Back in 2001 I lived in San Francisco and my little Mazda was going to be in the shop for a while and I needed to rent a vehicle. Long story short the only vehicle I could get my hands on was in the east bay and was a (I shit you not) Dodge Ram 2500 Diesel. Absolutely obnoxious. Being from Texas I was used to driving pickups but a this thing is just shy of a two ton payload capacity. I have no idea what t…

> every time I belched black smoke

If you've got visible smoke coming out of a diesel (in any color), something's wrong with the engine.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by matwood »

whymauri wrote: post #256
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

>It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. I got a rental car recently and they gave me a bright red pickup because it was the fastest option. I was surprised by the good vibes I got from all the other pickup drivers, lol. It's like I got inducted into a secret club for a day with a lot of waves and thumbs up. A woman went up to my group in a parking lot and said something like "Hell yea…

I'm bought a Tundra mainly because I needed something tow my boat (my old 4-runner was just too small). But, once I got used to sitting up high, having all the space, and having a full sized truck bed for hauling whatever, it's pretty nice.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by annoyingnoob »

giarc wrote: post #620
JeremyNT wrote: post #550

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> I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore You're not kidding! I was in the market for a small pickup and checked out the Tacoma and Frontier, which I previously understood to be "small" trucks. They're massive these days, just like the F-150! I guess it's perceived that there's no market for that size any more. A small ele…

The new Ford Ranger is a smaller size, but it's perhaps the worst looking truck available. I'm not sure what Ford was thinking there.

Still much bigger than the Rangers of years past.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by qchris »

maxerickson wrote: post #124
toomuchtodo wrote: post #27

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EVs are heavier by nature (this vehicle’s battery pack alone is ~1800 lbs). Your average driver is not good at driving. The F150 sells very well. Ergo, more risk of more property damage and human harm. You can’t get around physics. More mass with more force carries more risk.

In terms of kinetic energy, adding 20% to the mass is like speeding up from 50 to 55. 40% is like speeding up to 60. If you are worried about vehicle weight, worry more about speed.

Completely aside from the point you're trying to make: it's a pet peeve of mine when people try to describe collisions in terms of kinetic energy. It's the wrong metric--the important conserved quantity in collisions is momentum, which is simply linear mass*velocity (not quadratic velocity). After that, it becomes a matter of calculating the rate of momentum transfer, or impulse.

That's why crumple zones are important for vehicle-vehicle collisions--not because they turn kinetic energy into a stored form of potential energy in deformation, but because they drastically decrease the rate at which momentum changes.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by gibspaulding »

intrepidhero wrote: post #266
endisneigh wrote: post #50

I'm curious, with the advent of electric what's the advantage of a truck vs. a minivan for a lot of situations? IIRC there were literal space constraints before which is why a minivan couldn't tow like a truck, but since the motor and batteries sit underneath the car, couldn't one build a van/minivan with just as much power as this? If that's the case, other than hauling very tall objects, why get a truck? A minivan…

I love my minivan for its versatility but it can't haul gravel, or dirt, or bark dust, or sand, or manure...

This is the big one for my wife and I. We've been using an old Buick Rendezvous (somewhere between a van and SUV) with the back seats removed as our "truck" for a while now and while you can actually load quite a bit of mulch in the back, you have to load it all by hand which is pretty awful.

Ground clearance is another issue in a lot of places. Our Rendezvous is higher than most minivans, but I've still scraped the bottom before, and have had to turn back from a water crossing on a dirt road.

Generally my experience has been that the Rendezvous can do most of the same things my old Ranger did, but not as easily and with a lot more anxiety about breaking things. Ohh and come to think of it, it actually gets worse gas mileage.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jcims »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

I’ve lived in rural communities for 95% of my life. There are times when I really think that electoral college is obsolete and should go away, but all it takes is a thread like this where I just see comments from adults that seem wholly uninformed and underexposed to basic aspects of living outside of metropolitan environments. Yes, by itself, doesn’t really bother me as I am certainly a group of the inverse in many ways, but the derision that comes along with it is the part that really makes me think we’re probably not quite ready for a proportional representation at the level of each citizen citizen.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by [deleted] »

dboreham wrote: post #319
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Aperocky »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #457
moralestapia wrote: post #376

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But how would you charge the truck?

At a charging station? A lot of people do a lot of their charging not at home already - at least in cities. Presumably this could / will be true in rural areas, too.

That will probably not happen.

The mentality is extremely different, you do at home what you can, to the maximum.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mdoms »

bb123 wrote: post #97
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

Electric vehicles often have much better safety credentials than their ICE powered counterparts for a few reasons: * All of the weight is in the bottom of the vehicle, giving a lower centre of gravity. I'd bet this will kill the old F150 in a moose (or child!) test. * The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. This gives designers more wriggle room for pedestrian protection too.…

I'd like to see some actual data rather than some handy-wavy bullet points speculating on what maybe could be the case.
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