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Re: Flutter 2

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Post by alexhutcheson »

ironmagma wrote: post #608
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> History has shown us over and over again, always bet on the web. This is a mantra on HN. But is it true? I don’t think it is if you’re trying to build a big product mainstream people will use. People want native apps. No one needs the apps to work in 25 years. The web is just part of the picture, an important part, but still just a part.

People want native apps for some domains. On my phone, I typically want the opposite. Every company has to have its own app, and it’s annoying. I do want Flux, because that functionality can’t be done without an app. I don’t want a terminal in my browser because that would be ridiculous. Blanket statements don’t work.

> I don’t want a terminal in my browser because that would be ridiculous.

Secure Shell[1] is actually my go-to terminal for daily use, and supports some features that are important to me (e.g. OSC 52 codes) that GNOME Terminal doesn’t.

[1] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/iodih...

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by lmm »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #385
hanniabu wrote: post #301

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I don't understand why more resources aren't being put into Qt and making that easier to use or building a more "web-developer-friendly" abstraction layer on top.

Isn't the licensing for Qt a very curious and weird quagmire? Maybe it's better these days but I remember about 10 years ago there was a weird divide and unanswered questions about if you could really take a bet on using Qt and not be violating GPL.

No. 10 years ago it was 100% fine. About 25 years ago there was a licensing issue, and the Gnome project talks about it as their reason to exist to this day (which amounts to spreading FUD at this point, IMO).

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by jug »

This article didn't say why Flutter "1" (that was just named "Flutter") couldn't just, you know... keep evolving. Is this just marketing or is Flutter 2 a new product that breaks compatibility semver style? It's confusing because almost everything they say, they said about Flutter "1" as well.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by mdfk »

offtop5 wrote: post #65

Pretty sure I'm the only person on this thread who loves flutter. We use flutter web and Firebase for our hobbyist project, and the results have been simply amazing. Dart makes Typescript look like a joke. The build system alone makes flutter better than React Native ! I'm confident in being able to build any CRUD app in dart Edit, in fact how many of you have actually built a project in flutter .I can't believe anyo…

You are not the only one -- I've been developing in Flutter for the past couple of months and overall I'm very satisfied how easy it is to develop in it compared to native Android and iOS. Being native Android dev, I truly believe that there is a future in Flutter. Till now I was rejecting all the other cross-platform frameworks.

Big part of it is thanks to the community which is providing all the handy packages to add some native stuff easier (such as permission, localization etc.)

I agree with other comments that Flutter Web is not ready yet I've tried to build web version for wish list sharing based on Flutter and I was struggling, so in the end I've switched to Tailwind + Vue. Some issues I had was that website didn't behave like website. For example I couldn't select text with my mouse. It felt and behaved more like a mobile app through the browser.

For mobile though it works (almost) perfectly, my example of the mobile iOS and android app build with Flutter: https://wishpy.com/

Although it loads a bit long at the beginning and I still need to figure out how to show images and icons without an uncomfortable glitch at the screen start.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by supergirl »

don't bother with google technologies. they all eventually become a mess of versions and incompatibilities. googlers create new shiny versions to get promoted instead of incrementally improving existing tech.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by aitchnyu »

rp1229 wrote: post #127
garrtt wrote: post #41

> Google Pay switched to Flutter a few months ago for their flagship mobile app, and they already achieved major gains in productivity and quality. By unifying the codebase, the team removed feature disparity between platforms and eliminated over half a million lines of code. from pay.google.com > Starting April 5, you won't be able to use pay.google.com to send and receive money from other people. To send and receiv…

The new Google Pay app on iOS is incredibly sluggish -- animations stutter, switching pages has hesitations. I'm not sure what they mean by "quality" in this case.

I once noticed the green checkmark animation for a failed payment.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by [deleted] »

danShumway wrote: post #360
hanniabu wrote: post #301

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I don't understand why more resources aren't being put into Qt and making that easier to use or building a more "web-developer-friendly" abstraction layer on top.

I don't know if they've changed their approach over the past year, but the last time I looked at Qt demos for the web, I was solidly unimpressed. At the time, they were making almost all of the same mistakes that Flutter is, and the devs I talked to seemed to be of the opinion that those problems wouldn't be fixed until browsers started adding brand new capabilities specifically for them. Looking now at the demos at…

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Re: Flutter 2

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Post by jug »

danShumway wrote: post #297
mdoms wrote: post #197

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I just visited flutterfolio.com. The very first thing I tried to do is enter a username and Tab to the password field. But Tab just catapulted my input focus to the browser address bar. I mean, come on.

The accessibility is a bigger concern, but flutterfolio.com also A) lags on my work machine when tabbing through fields B) doesn't handle HDPI screens well (the entire interface looks blurry) C) keeps fields visually indicated as selected even when I click outside of the browser (if I start typing, is it going to go into the field or not?) D) has a separate touch mode? Touch doesn't just work? Looked up another of th…

Strange how I don't see many of your issues on my side.

(parent issue) Tab tabs through text fields only.

A) No lag on my laptop

B) Zooming to 400% reveals pure vectors for text as well as control decorations, even the fingerprint icon. Only the logo becomes pixelated but that one could of course simply be an SVG instead and not Flutter's problem.

C) Yes, this is a common issue with web apps. One often needs to look at web browser focus. I'm unsure if an event is even sent to the page as the page itself loses focus.

D) I think it does and this is just a tech demo for adaptive interfaces if you want them.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by ewindal »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #136
ewindal wrote: post #125

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Still doesn’t explain why you think removing LoC in a mobile application removes features from a web application.

The web application was deleted. That means there is no feature parity to factor into consideration.

They are obviously talking about feature parity between the platforms android and iOS that their _mobile app_ targets. You cannot be this dense.
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