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Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by rendall »

crazygringo wrote: post #656
rendall wrote: post #639

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "when the average person thinks of using amphetamines to stay awake, they're thinking primarily of the illegal context, not the prescription one." Be careful when claiming knowledge of what "everybody" or "the average person" is thinking. You expose your own bias. It can come off as a weird self-own, as if you're saying that you use it that way so you can't conceive of innocent uses

I already am careful and I'm not exposing any bias, but thanks for checking. It comes across as a weird self-own that you assume I can't conceive of anything else. Especially since I already mentioned the medical uses multiple times. It's simply which usage/meaning is more common , not that the other doesn't exist. It's about frequency, not bias.

No need to get prickly. But no need to explain again either. It's more common to you and your social circle, apparently, but [citation needed] for "the average" person.

You're exposing a lot more about yourself and your lifestyle than you realize, evidently

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by asddubs »

ufmace wrote: post #570
asddubs wrote: post #567

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really that absurd, it's just not the most conventional definition. But I've heard it used that way before, especially in the context of philosophy

It's absurd in the sense that, if you accept that definition, then anything at all - taking any action or even taking no action at all - could be called violent, which makes the word meaningless. It points to an Orwellian level of thought control. If anything at all can be called violent by any level of tortured logic, then it's very good to be the person who decrees what actions will be considered to be violent and…

I don't know, I think it's less absurd than your usage of the words "orwellian thought control" in the context of a different opinion on the definition of a word.

If I'm standing right next to the fuse box, and I see someone in the process of being electrocuted, isn't it violent to not flip the switch to save the person?

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by washadjeffmad »

mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/01/02/amphetamine-app-store-r...

Apple has reversed their position after the developer appealed. They did not lose anything or have to rebrand.

Given this outcome and the minor expense in time it took to achieve, do you still stand by your advice that people should immediately support and enable a unilateral decision because there is a power difference between the parties?

How has this updated your beliefs about the likelihood of amenable redress with the App Store appeals process?

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by sjs382 »

67868018 wrote: post #387
freehunter wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I download and use the app despite the name. I’m not okay with it, but I need the features it offers and there isn’t a better alternative with a better name. There used to be (called Caffeine) but it disappeared from the store and I’m not sure why. Just because people use the app doesn’t mean they like the name.

Better app that's open source: https://keepingyouawake.app/

Amphetamine does a lot more, so it's not a 1:1 replacement, but I prefer KeepingYouAwake, too.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by paulryanrogers »

devwastaken wrote: post #629
0xEFF wrote: post #359

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Do you expect to see a box on a shelf of any retail store labeled, “Amphetamine” with a colorful picture of drugs? It’s entirely reasonable for the retail store to tell the vendor to rename the product or else it will be removed from the shelf.

Subscribing to the offended is advocating against yourself. The only reason why you don't generally see that kind of advertising is because it offends people. The amount offended is far less than when Ronald reagan began his war on drugs - meaning that offense changes with time, and that offense changes based off of what other people believe to be acceptable. By allowing that kind of advertising you reduce negative r…

> Don't forget apple also hates the idea of sex, and that's plenty acceptable to market.

Not so sure that's true in the USA. Though it could be payment processors and prudish culture are the drivers of this phenomenon.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by kryogen1c »

washadjeffmad wrote: post #674
mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/01/02/amphetamine-app-store-r... Apple has reversed their position after the developer appealed. They did not lose anything or have to rebrand. Given this outcome and the minor expense in time it took to achieve, do you still stand by your advice that people should immediately support and enable a unilateral decision because there is a power difference between the parties? How has this…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by crazygringo »

rendall wrote: post #671
crazygringo wrote: post #656

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already am careful and I'm not exposing any bias, but thanks for checking. It comes across as a weird self-own that you assume I can't conceive of anything else. Especially since I already mentioned the medical uses multiple times. It's simply which usage/meaning is more common , not that the other doesn't exist. It's about frequency, not bias.

No need to get prickly. But no need to explain again either. It's more common to you and your social circle, apparently, but [citation needed] for "the average" person. You're exposing a lot more about yourself and your lifestyle than you realize, evidently

Oh I'm not prickly, ha -- where ever did you get that idea? I'm touched by your concern for me -- it's quite sweet -- but it's really not necessary. And I'm not at all concerned about "exposing" my lifestyle, what a hoot!

Do you have a "citation" for the average person? If not, then I really don't know what you're arguing about.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by xadhominemx »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #128
mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

> They kind of have a point They don't (the claim is the app promotes drug use, which it doesn't), and it's quite likely that it's a reviewer mistake that will be overturned once the stink on social media gets big enough to reach the right person.

they named the app after a harmful drug that does the same thing the app purports to do. it is not a stretch at all to view the app as promoting drug use.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by jjcon »

floatingatoll wrote: post #623
EricE wrote: post #620

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm not here to help you determine whether you should care or not. Other than attention seeking what was the point of your original post? It certainly wasn't for dialog since you can't have a dialog unless you are willing to put all the points of discussion on the table. People are rightly puzzled by your posting because this site is about dialog - not one direction orations. That you are attempting to act "above th…

I can think of several interesting and relevant dialogues that could occur, but I also predicted that a viewpoint on this topic not couched in SSC-compatible rationality terms would be rejected and attacked by other HN commenters. Having confirmed that prediction, I’m content not to share any further details about my biasing experiences so as not to offend further, and avoid being emotionally vulnerable to y’all in t…

I think it’s pretty clear that what was being discussed was a freedom of expression issue (as a value not a law). Doesn’t matter now though cause Apple backed down and the dev noted this in his response: “We may not all agree, but I am happy we all still have the freedom to express ourselves today”

I think that sums things up well

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/01/02/amphetamine-app-store-r...

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