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Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by mombul »

choward wrote: post #415
mombul wrote: post #206

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Well, there IS a pandemic. So there IS a good reason for "selling it" "a bit hard". It will literally save lives and end a world-wide economy-crippling disease. Now I agree the process was quicker than usual, that it brings up a lot of questions. But it's the studies we should question, the efficiency, the long term effects. The way it's sold and "advertised" is just equally as dramatic as the disease it's trying to…

That doesn't make any sense. The worse the virus is the less you should need to "sell" the vaccine. If it was a rushed vaccine to prevent you from becoming a zombie you wouldn't need to sell it. If it was a vaccine for the common cold you would need to sell it.

Of course, you're right, it doesn't make sense and that's not how it should work. Unfortunately, science and medicine are fields that are largely driven by money. Laboratories don't really care about a vaccine for a disease in Africa that nobody will be able to afford or invest in. They will turn to better markets. There are multiple reasons, the most obvious one is that they're private companies, their goal is to make profit. The second one is that it's a field that requires a lot of resources. So you need a big ROI.

One of the reasons the vaccine for COVID-19 was produced so quickly is not because of some sort of conspiracy, like they had the antidote all along or something. It's just that when there's a real buck to make, it becomes a race between these big pockets companies.

That's one side of it and I don't know enough to cover every aspect of it. Also, it's just my opinion of course and how I see this.

Edit: I'm doubtful about a zombie vaccine being given for free. Most likely in a Walking Dead type scenario, where the economy would completely go down, there wouldn't be any financial incentive to keep the searches going, and no money to back up the researches either. So we'd be scr*wed I think. :o)

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by rolph »

elil17 wrote: post #649
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Scientists are suggesting that it will be somewhat less effective at preventing transmission and asymptomatic infection than it is at preventing symptomatic infection. From the New York Times: “Preventing severe disease is easiest, preventing mild disease is harder, and preventing all infections is the hardest,” said Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunologist at the University of Arizona. “If it’s 95 percent effective at p…

when it comes to splitting hairs, it doesnt matter how immune you are, to any pathogen, you will ALWAYS get infected.

if you have a fresh host of antibodies or a long term host of memory B cells you will prevent the virus from replicating to produce a morbidity or mortality.

you have to get the virus in your body...then the immune system responds to it.

as a fork you should be aware of the concept of becoming a vector in other words you get the virus on you then transfer it to someone else, no incubation required, just evasion of any cutaneous antibodies.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by rglullis »

Izkata wrote: post #605
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Mind to share sources about the immunity lasting only 3 months? From what I read, Corona-virii are in general slow to mutate and infected people should be immune for a longer time. Also, not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but this idea that a vaccine should neatly work in a way that it would be recommended to take it on every season smells of a pharma PR submarine.

It comes from a misunderstanding: antibodies last around that long, but so far no one's T-Cells have stopped reacting to the virus. Immunity lasting only as long as the antibodies is also how I understood it to work until mid-summer.

Yeah, I remember an article from October claiming only 5 cases of reinfection. To me these are more likely to have happened due to the people having compromised immune systems than to some specific property of the novel corona.

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Post by [deleted] »

dhruvrrp wrote: post #663
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And what was the average availability for the previous 5 years?

It was hovering around 30-40% 2 months ago, and was around 56% in May. Unfortunately historical data is hard to find since most gov/hospital websites only seem to show covid related data.

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Post by jnurmine »

Kiro wrote: post #553
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You might not know, but that’s been discredited since. The vaccine didn’t cause narcolepsy. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.... and https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcoleps...

Interesting. Didn't know at all. It seems like "common knowledge" here in Sweden. The CDC report isn't mentioned here by the way but should be (in case someone reading this is versed in Wikipedia editing): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix#Adverse_outcomes This is great news anyway and definitely something I will tell people worried about the vaccine so thanks!

The CDC and the EMA both say that Pandemrix did not cause anything. But that information does not match with what happened in Sweden and Finland.

In Finland and Sweden, a small number of young people with specific genes who got the Pandemrix vaccination developed narcolepsy in much higher amounts than expected.

With a larger clinical trial and some more time, those tragedies could have been perhaps avoided altogether.

https://www.nature.com/articles/gene20171 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-39...

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Post by effingwewt »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #563
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Doesn't it scare you more to actually be Will Smith in "I am legend"? He's alone. All those other people were always hanging out together, chasing stuff, hiding from the sun.

He thought he was saving the world but it turned out there was a whole bunch doing just fine in Vermont.

That's the movie. In the book he realizes the mutants are the new humans, he is the outsider. To them, he is the monster, the one who steals their children while they sleep and experiments on them.

The title refers to he himself being a legend, something from a previous age.

I love the movie and love it, especially the DC with the additional endings but in this case the book really is the better medium IMHO

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Post by moonchild »

freedomben wrote: post #120
dang wrote: post #20

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25097578 (which led to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25097685 ) Evidence that no one reads the FAQ! https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Ha! Although I have read the FAQ numerous times, but I don't regularly check it. Maybe it needs an RSS feed :-P

It's been there at least since 2008 - https://web.archive.org/web/20080518203408/http://ycombinato...

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by mombul »

parliament32 wrote: post #352
mombul wrote: post #206

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Well, there IS a pandemic. So there IS a good reason for "selling it" "a bit hard". It will literally save lives and end a world-wide economy-crippling disease. Now I agree the process was quicker than usual, that it brings up a lot of questions. But it's the studies we should question, the efficiency, the long term effects. The way it's sold and "advertised" is just equally as dramatic as the disease it's trying to…

"It will" is a strong choice of words. The root of the matter is I don't, personally, trust the people doing the selling. It varies by region but where I'm from, back in April-ish, we were sold: "just two weeks of lockdowns and the virus will die out! everything will be back to normal!". So we did. Businesses shut down, transit basically stopped running, our downtown core was a wasteland. Everyone parroted "stay safe…

I don't know where you're from that you heard that. But from where I'm from, we were told that:

- it was just only the beginning of a massive sh*tstorm, not just "2 weeks of lockdown and we'll be ok"

- the lockdown in April was to mitigate as much as possible the first wave

- a second wave would almost definitely arrive in the winter (hello! it's here! we're in lockdown again, pretty much as planned)

- nothing will be back to normal before we get the vaccine, and even then, it would take months if not years for it to be a thing of the past, and that until then we'd have to do our best to follow the guidelines.

You can't compare scientific proof that something works vs. a government decision taken to "mitigate things".

The spring lockdown helped free beds in hospital and ultimately it saved thousands if not millions of lives worldwide. Period. This is UNDENIABLE.

Also, maybe if some people weren't so doubtful that these decisions were for their own good and stopped throwing tantrums about their "fundamental right to breathe air", we wouldn't have had a second wave at all. Maybe.

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