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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by kortilla »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #189
kortilla wrote: post #110

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But who goes into being an RIAA lawyer position thinking it’s going to be good at first? You have to have believed in the RIAA’s stance from the get-go because it hasn’t really changed.

I was at the Grammy’s one year and at the industry lunch the day before, I wound up at a table with a bunch of lawyers for the labels and the RIAA. It was an interesting position for me to be in, as someone who has been quite critical vocally of their positions and tactics since I was a teenager. Anyway, everyone was cordial and professional and we didn’t really get into debate too much — and I was clearly the odd wo…

Yep. You’ll often find there is nuance to these debates and people will justify their side by blowing the upsides out of proportion and minimizing the downsides.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by scrollaway »

CivBase wrote: post #663
scrollaway wrote: post #647

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The EFF's letter gave them the legal justification they needed to restore it. It helped. The fact they restored everything in just a day after receiving it makes that pretty clear. They didn't need to evaluate their options much at all; as soon as they received it, the repo was back. I wouldn't even be surprised to learn that the EFF talked off the record with GitHub beforehand.

Why didn't they have "the legal justification they needed to restore it" before the EFF sent their letter? We're talking about Microsoft here. I do not believe they are so helpless.

Dude, I'm not a lawyer. Either you are, and you can explain it to me, or you're not, and you don't know better than I do.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by bargl »

LandR wrote: post #643
vdfs wrote: post #492

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Is it accurate to say more than 90% of HN readers have seen that movie?

Havent seen film or read book. We aren't all fans of fantasy or sci-fi genre.

Of course not. That's why they said 90%. You could argue it's 50% or 23.2832%. But there is a percentage of HN which has seen the movie if the OP has seen it.

Obviously there's a percentage that hasn't seen/read it if you haven't either.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by boomboomsubban »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #657
kingo55 wrote: post #528

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I better throw out my web browser then. It is circumventing YouTube DRM by opening those URLs.

By that logic, playing Netflix on your browser is breaking DRM. That’s not how that works.

Netflix sends the videos to your computer with a form of DRM and then uses a key from either your browser or hardware to unlock the content. That is nothing like YouTube, which sends both the links and the media to you unencrypted.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by Mindwipe »

nobody9999 wrote: post #482
MauranKilom wrote: post #382

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This may be completely true in a technical sense, but that's not how the law works (see https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 ). And while the same bits pass through your connection, this equivalence already breaks down right away: There is clearly a difference between persisting a media file to disk vs having it ephemeral in browser memory.

>There is clearly a difference between persisting a media file to disk vs having it ephemeral in browser memory. Is there? When "streaming" video, there most certainly is a copy of the bits being stored on a disk to ensure that the video "stream" plays cleanly and without interruption. Are you making the claim that "streamed" video is never buffered/stored on disk? That's an odd claim to make. I'm no expert on video…

Certainly with DRMed video it is common for the video to never be buffered/stored on disk. Sometimes a few seconds is, but even that is uncommon, and more likely it would simply be retained in RAM now.

With more secure DRM systems the OS literally never gets access to the video buffer, protected by hardware, in order to even send it to disk.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by TheKarateKid »

abnry wrote: post #579
TheKarateKid wrote: post #493

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They’re correcting a wrong because their reputation took a big hit in the dev community. Now there’s big talk of the dangers of not self-hosting your repo and the monoculture of using GitHub. Although it probably has good intent, this is largely PR.

Or they just panicked with the RIAA request and needed time to regroup. Cynicism doesn't have to be a hobby.

This isn't the first frivolous DMCA request GitHub complied with. A company owned by one of the largest tech companies in the world doesn't need to "panic" about something like this.

Sounds like cynicism is your hobby, buddy.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by CivBase »

scrollaway wrote: post #672
CivBase wrote: post #663

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Why didn't they have "the legal justification they needed to restore it" before the EFF sent their letter? We're talking about Microsoft here. I do not believe they are so helpless.

Dude, I'm not a lawyer. Either you are, and you can explain it to me, or you're not, and you don't know better than I do.

I'm not a lawyer either. That's why I'm asking for an explanation on HN.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by wpietri »

cseberino wrote: post #662
wpietri wrote: post #107

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That is definitely not the case. There are plenty of employers making things worse. One of my first jobs was for a telephone fundraising outfit. We'd cold-call people, manipulate and like to them, so they'd donate money for our charity of the week, and keep 85% of it. Making society better requires actually making society better. You have to weigh the total societal positives against the total societal negatives.

OK let me qualify my answer. Voluntary financial arrangements are beneficial to society that do not harm others. The government in capitalistic systems enforces the rule that you can't harm one another arbitrarily. So an assassination contract would be illegal. Also, defrauding people with cold calls of their money is illegal. In short, LEGAL voluntary arrangements in a free market are beneficial.

That's progress, but you haven't accounted for negative externalities or the varying shades of "voluntary" that exist. Both of which occur in pretty much any job people take these days.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by musicale »

quotemstr wrote: post #391
musicale wrote: post #340

Are 1201 takedown notices even supposed to be a thing, or were they just invented by the RIAA and/or other overly enthusiastic copyright holders? I was under the impression that DMCA notices were for the removal of infringing content, not alleged anti-circumvention tools. That's what the law seems to specify. The notification and takedown process is specified for infringement of copyrighted works, not distribution of…

Right. GitHub seems to have made up a 1201 notice-and-takedown mechanism out of thin air, with this mechanism serving as Microsoft voluntarily doing favors for other big corporations rather than the fulfillment of some kind of legal obligation. I find the GitHub announcement deeply unsatisfying for that reason: GitHub is unilaterally inventing a body of "law" that's going to meaningfully govern the lives of tons of d…

> GitHub seems to have made up a 1201 notice-and-takedown mechanism out of thin air

This crystallizes my discomfort with github's approach.

They should have said something like "Thank you for your letter. If we receive any 1201-related injunctions or directives from US courts or law enforcement directing us to remove this repository, we will quickly do so."

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by ReidZB »

arwineap wrote: post #624
thedenimdino wrote: post #573

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Another fun fact is that, the doors were built in cooperation between Elves and the Dwarves. Celebrimbor (also the guy who made all the rings except the one) and Narvi. The friendship between an Eleven and Dwarven kingdom was kinda rare. And thus, speak friend and enter

This is going quite deep, is there any chance that Tolkien actually planned for these?

Definitely. Enmity between elves and dwarves is a deep theme in Tolkien's world. The Silmarillion presents several in-universe historical events responsible for that enmity. It's also foreshadowed by "God" (Eru) when he grants life to the dwarves.

Friendships between the elves and dwarves are as a result considered very special, which is why Gimli and Legolas's friendship in The Lord of the Rings is such a big deal.

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