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Post by danaliv »

hpoe wrote: post #355
partiallypro wrote: post #333

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

There is a worse side effect that comes from conservatives feeling that they have been silenced, as people feel like they have less and less say in a political process they are more and more likely to start employing means outside of it. The real risk here is that if more and more outlets for conservative voices are silenced, whether for good cause or not, this will reinforce the narrative that many of them have that…

> as people feel like they have less and less say in a political process they are more and more likely to start employing means outside of it

Teetering on the brink of an epiphany.

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Post by ixtli »

fzeroracer wrote: post #609
darepublic wrote: post #573

As someone of mixed ethnicity who, if I was there could easily be victimized by a senseless mob to whom I owe nothing and have committed no crime against.. yea I am not happy with how the mainstream media promotes and covers this story, downplaying the victims of the chaos and sympathizing with outpourings of anger even if illegal. To clarify, looters should not be shot, law should prevail, and the policeman involved…

This entire event is effectively self-defense from a community that has felt terrorized by the police for decades. It could've been easily prevented by actually arresting someone that committed abject murder, but the city and the police chose to instead defend a man who has killed multiple people in the past and got away with it scott-free. So when people feel like justice no longer exists, there should be no surpris…

I'd like to say, as well, that this is a statement of fact that can be observed by looking at media coverage, testimonial, historical and fictional books on the topic of the black experience in america. To deny this is a direct attempt to re-write history to justify an accumulation of power amongst the hands of a specific, ever-shrinking elite.

Things are, ultimately, knowable. Its not "political" or up to "opinion".

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Post by paulie_a »

sevenf0ur wrote: post #349
kingnight wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The valley being an echo chamber doesn’t necessarily mean those implementing this have their heads in the sand. It can’t be all perfectly achieved, but to do nothing, as they were before, could be now determined to be a worse case than providing these annotations to flagrant misuse by the highest impact profile that they can’t do away with entirely.

The issue is that the rules are being enforced selectively. Just this week Twitter fact checked Trump's opinion on mail voter fraud by linking to other experts' opinions. It seems more like a move to influence the election rather than enforcing the rules.

But you have to remember, they are going to pay more attention to people that have a lot of followers vs the person with 3. Limited resources trying to deal with the people that have the most impact makes sense to me

Personally I think they are just trying to call out a moron. But so what if you are trying to "interfere" with the election. Corporations are allowed to interject their own beliefs and politics too

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Post by ComputerGuru »

Thinkx220 wrote: post #655
seaknoll wrote: post #639

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This movement is about centuries of unjustness. To me, it is appropriate that the occasional bystander and business is overlooked. That doesn't mean that if you were my sibling, or friend, or business that I wouldn't be entitled to express personal pain. But the magnitude of my pain is nothing next to the pain that's led up to this, and no it wouldn't be appropriate for it to get remotely equal attention. Sure, ideal…

Unfortunately, both you, the media, and the looters keep forgetting the events are, as you said, history.

If it were purely history, we wouldn’t be seeing the violence, injustice, and disparity we see today. The problem is that isn’t “history”, it’s ongoing.

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Post by ixtli »

claudeganon wrote: post #637
darepublic wrote: post #573

As someone of mixed ethnicity who, if I was there could easily be victimized by a senseless mob to whom I owe nothing and have committed no crime against.. yea I am not happy with how the mainstream media promotes and covers this story, downplaying the victims of the chaos and sympathizing with outpourings of anger even if illegal. To clarify, looters should not be shot, law should prevail, and the policeman involved…

Sure, but ideally the function of the state is prevent the formation of senseless mobs through even-handed treatment and a well-functioning justice system. When it fails to meet those expectations, people turn to other means to defend themselves and enact retribution. This is human nature and the entire story of our history. Aeschylus even wrote about it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oresteia

I think there is an issue where a minority of people live very sheltered lives in the kind embrace of the state, so they have a very difficult time accepting that actually, the experience is shit for a wide swath of other people who have the same right to be protected.

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Post by troyvit »

eloff wrote: post #661
miguelmota wrote: post #630

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could have all been ended before the rioting started if the police officer was charged for his actions. Obviously looting is wrong but peaceful protests obviously aren't working either.

They were fired and will face the justice system, which while it normally moves slowly, will move a little faster in this case thanks to top down pressure. I don't see how in a country with independent judiciary anything more can be done.

How fast would the justice system have moved if it was a black person killing a cop as opposed to a cop killing a black person?

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Post by anigbrowl »

misja111 wrote: post #669
baby wrote: post #638

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are enabling a fascist government. You are complicit. This is the strategy to vilify any movements from the people: focus on how they are acting violent, when this violence is very well in proportion to the enemy’s first move.

How is looting innocent shop owners in proportion to the wrongdoings of the police force? And if this 'an eye for an eye' philosophy is what you are promoting, how is Trump's tweet then out of place?

How was the looting of innocent tea merchants in proportion to the wrongdoings of George III's soldiers?

Stop equating property with life. They're not the same. They're not even close.

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Post by rovolo »

efitz wrote: post #521
Jestar342 wrote: post #461

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Erm, what? This is just not true, and is a false dichotomy. Moderation is hard. Always has been. Stuff will slip through the cracks. POTUS has the most popular (and currently most controversial - note, that's _controversial_ not _extreme_ or some other morph) so it's easy to see why Twitter are on top of it. Other blue-checked accounts, whilst more "important" than unverified, just simply don't compare to the importa…

If most of the mistakes happen in one direction, then I would argue that there's some other mechanism at work than just "mistakes". Update: data https://quillette.com/2019/02/12/it-isnt-your-imagination-tw... Update: admission https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17857622/twitter-liberal-emplo...

I think the Quillette piece is overstating its evidence to make a rhetorical point. 1) They're only measuring the last enforcement step. 2) n=22 is really small. 3) They're measuring (suspended|trump) and are asserting the relationship is causal. If you download their dataset, you find these 4 people listed under the "supports trump" column: Alex Jones, American Nazi Party, David Duke, Richard Spencer. I think most everyone can agree these 4 weren't suspended because they are conservative or voted for Trump. (The other instances probably aren't partisan either, but not everyone will know about those people)

> database of prominent, politically active users who are known to have been temporarily or permanently suspended from the platform. … Of 22 prominent, politically active individuals who are known to have been suspended since 2005 and who expressed a preference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, 21 supported Donald Trump.

The Vox piece isn't an "admission" that their moderation is biased. Twitter's CEO is "admitting" that the politics of the developers is heavily liberal:

> “We have a lot of conservative-leaning folks in the company as well, and to be honest, they don’t feel safe to express their opinions at the company,” Dorsey said. “They do feel silenced by just the general swirl of what they perceive to be the broader percentage of leanings within the company, and I don’t think that’s fair or right.”

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

onemoresoop wrote: post #397
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not actually against the idea, but arbitrary blocklists would accelerate bubbling people away from anyone who could possibly think differently from them, which has its own issues.

Radicalism and inciting to violence should be bubbled not amplified.

But then the people who are open to such things stay exposed, while detaching from anyone else, thus ensuring that they spiral ever further into their own viewpoint. That's how you create radicals.

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Post by [deleted] »

seaknoll wrote: post #639
darepublic wrote: post #573

As someone of mixed ethnicity who, if I was there could easily be victimized by a senseless mob to whom I owe nothing and have committed no crime against.. yea I am not happy with how the mainstream media promotes and covers this story, downplaying the victims of the chaos and sympathizing with outpourings of anger even if illegal. To clarify, looters should not be shot, law should prevail, and the policeman involved…

This movement is about centuries of unjustness. To me, it is appropriate that the occasional bystander and business is overlooked. That doesn't mean that if you were my sibling, or friend, or business that I wouldn't be entitled to express personal pain. But the magnitude of my pain is nothing next to the pain that's led up to this, and no it wouldn't be appropriate for it to get remotely equal attention. Sure, ideal…

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