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Good. Screw the landlords. Let them liquidate and bring the market back down to earth a bit.

Do landlords drive up prices? I know for residential properties, homeowners are willing to pay way higher prices than what makes sense for landlords. I don't understand the vitriol towards landlords. Do people get angry at the bank for lending money so they can buy a house?

Most landlords raised rents just because they could.

They were profitable where they were, but since the next guy raised his rents, then they jacked up their own rents.

This is what makes people angry at landlords. And often times, your rent increased, but your pay didn’t, so you get squeezed both ways.

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Panic selling is generally a poor strategy. Feel free though I'd be happy to pick up some more cheap VGRO.

You don’t think it’s a good time to “panic sell” when the market goes up 20% in just 3 days? Edit: especially while the US corona curve is not showing any signs of slowing down.

This has got to be a dead cat bounce.

Normally, when a company lays off workers, the market cheers, and the stock price goes up. Investors get to keep more of their money, and no longer have to pay out in expensive labor.

But this situation is quite different, in that the economy just came to a stop, for practically everyone. At some point, this has got to trickle up, and affect the larger corporations. People won’t fly, so airlines go bankrupt. Hotels go bankrupt. Travel Agencies go bankrupt. And on and on.

But of course, maybe Wall Street is expecting a bailout of the airlines, and other big businesses, so maybe that explains the optimism.

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Not much comparable. Just a random difference - Germany was quickly rebuilt because allies want it to be rebuilt, and not let impoverished and destroyed like after WWI. We know how that ended... When talking about efficiency, I think China might have the upper hand now - they are much more effective in discipline, they don't mind suffering things that are unacceptable for us, and look where they are with COVID - ahea…

Interesting - the Chinese economy isn’t known for efficiency or discipline. It’s known for its massive scale. China has been trying to increase its economic efficiency and discipline, but generally failing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/09/19/chi...

I saw someone make an interesting comparison on this.

In the West, when they think of efficiency, they think of using robots and automation to remove human labor. Labor costs go down, quality goes up, profits go up. Get rid of pesky factory workers and their need for benefits.

The goal in the West, is to maximize profit, above all else.

Whereas with China, when they think of efficiency, they think of production output ratio in mass production. Meaning, how many people can they employ, along with automation and mechanization, in order to massively increase production output.

Humans are more adaptable than robots, and can be repurposed to operate another machine. Quality is not as high, but it may be acceptable. The gain is in mass market share, at a lower cost. And at some point, their higher end manufacturers will automate and compete on par with their western peers.

The goal in China, is to maximize output. Massive profits can come later.

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I’m not sure about this. China is, rightfully, being blamed for the initial outbreak of the virus and their failure to contain it. I think when the dust settles, we’re going to see a rapid decoupling from China as countries look inward to strengthen their domestic supply chains. I have a hard time seeing China emerging as a winner from this crisis.

If China becomes less dependent on exports to the US, they could dump US treasuries, which could potentially destroy the US economy & the dollar. They have the US by the balls.

Interesting theory. I suspect China will continue to do what they’ve been doing, and build out their own country.

The United States was built on the foundation of transportation (roads and highways), automobiles, mortgages, and travel. These industries built up the middle class, by providing jobs for home, and profits from exports to abroad. Then came tech and the massive windfall from that.

They essentially have the population of 4 United States, that they can essentially just compete internally among themselves, while still producing products for export to abroad.

They can just follow the same playbook here.

* Infrastructure, check, they have highways, airports, and also, high speed trains.

* Automobiles, check, they have the largest car market in the world. And they are continually working with, and learning from, their European partners. Eventually, they’ll get good enough to not need external partnerships.

* Mortgages, check, lots of high rises, since that’s the only way to house so many people.

* Travel, in progress, they’re working really hard to make a commercial airliner. This will take another 20 years, but Boeing messed up with their 737 Max fiasco, which may give them an opening sooner. But most of the parts to this airplane comes from American companies, so if Trump wants, then he can really crush their airplane independence dreams, at least for 10 years.

* Technology, in progress, they have mostly web companies, and application companies, but not yet core technology companies. They still don’t quite have CPU and memory chip companies yet, and they outsourced manufacturing to Taiwan. This is where Trump can really crush them, but again, at a heavy price, and only for 10 years.

In the end, anything is possible, but I highly doubt they are interested in squeezing the US by the balls anyways. They are finding it more profitable to maintain friendly terms with the US, and sell them cheaper trinkets, than taking a confrontational approach, and getting into a hot war, where nobody wins, except Lockheed.

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> A week ago, he said he had “a good middle-class job” which paid him $35.50 an hour plus health care and retirement benefits. Now he is struggling to figure out how he’ll pay a $300 electric bill and $1,000 in rent for his townhouse. He also lost his health insurance. You make $35.5/hour in (I suppose?) a stable job but if the work stops for a week, you struggle with a $300 bill? I know some people are living payche…

Well here's the thing about that, people were actively incentivized not to save cash with low interest rates and a booming stock market. I know for myself personally I'm heavily invested in the markets just because that's what worked best for almost a decade. Nobody saw this coming. Now you have to debate selling your stock at such low prices and realizes huge loses or paying your bills - I think most people are goin…

Your emergency fund isn't supposed to accrue interest, it is supposed to be a safety net against these kind of situations.

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> The government does have stockpiles for emergencies As you can see now, it doesn't. Neither does any other government.

Your hatred of lean is confusing, Companies exist to make money why would they hold extra inventory ?

Companies are merely one part of society. Why does society exist?

Re: 3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits

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Why don't you do the calculation then, instead of dismissing an article/calculation based on something you're not even sure is true?

You want me to . . . hand-calculate market-weighted total return of an index? Without access to the underlying financials? That's a big ask for an internet comment. I didn't dismiss the article. I provided additional context that might be helpful in evaluating its claims. You are free to do with that what you will. https://www.nyse.com/publicdocs/nyse/indices/nyse_arca_globa... "The Index tracks the price performance…

>That's a big ask for an internet comment.

So your solution is to "guess" that it didn't happen?

>I didn't dismiss the article. I provided additional context that might be helpful in evaluating its claims.

You didn't add anything. You insinuated that it wasn't correct, with zero evidence or knowledge.

Why didn't you add other things, like maybe the journalist made the entire thing up? Or perhaps the whole measure of the index is simply a lie and doesn't exist?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that people here consider random aspersions "adding context".

Re: 3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits

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You want me to . . . hand-calculate market-weighted total return of an index? Without access to the underlying financials? That's a big ask for an internet comment. I didn't dismiss the article. I provided additional context that might be helpful in evaluating its claims. You are free to do with that what you will. https://www.nyse.com/publicdocs/nyse/indices/nyse_arca_globa... "The Index tracks the price performance…

> That's a big ask for an internet comment. So your solution is to "guess" that it didn't happen? > I didn't dismiss the article. I provided additional context that might be helpful in evaluating its claims. You didn't add anything. You insinuated that it wasn't correct, with zero evidence or knowledge. Why didn't you add other things, like maybe the journalist made the entire thing up? Or perhaps the whole measure o…

I'm puzzled that you think factual and relevant context is an aspersion. The article is technically correct that asset prices took a long time to recover to the previous levels. But it is limited in its application. In order to judge the return of an investment, you have to look at not just its asset price but what it produces. A chicken only decreases in value from the time it begins laying eggs, but that doesn't make it a bad investment. Same with the airlines.

> So your solution is to "guess" that it didn't happen?

It's not a guess. It's an informed inference from my knowledge of airline dividend habits, which I subsequently backed up with a citation. However, I will not do hours of modeling work to satisfy your curiosity. If you want that information, do it yourself.

Re: 3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits

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Having worked on this type of application in the past they should find a new company to work with if they can't handle this traffic. We were handling hundreds of requests per second with ease 10 years ago. That was with MySQL and the app running on the same server. It doesn't take many resources to show the user a form, validate it, and save to a DB.

It doesn't take many resources to show the user a form, validate it, and save to a DB. I bet that's what the previous developers thought. What happens if you need to validate the form data against an external service that's coming and going due to the traffic spike? What if your database is rejecting transactions occasionally? What happens when your backup process locks all the database tables? How do you reject dupl…

All of those items are manageable. Some are simple setup or programming errors, some require a bit of added complexity but are normal in modern web apps.

Re: 3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits

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Not sure it is fair to say that the world really had advanced warning from China. They were saying everything was okay and people-people transmission is low. All trust was lost, so time was reset when Italy was hit, that is the real time zero, because no one trusts China.

> They were saying everything was okay and people-people transmission is low. For the first two weeks of January. When they got to the point of locking down an entire city, it became pretty clear to everyone that it was a serious situation. We looked at that, and did... Nothing.

The first lockdown in Italy was Feb 21. Trump had alread convened a task force to investigate and handle the spread of the virus on Jan 29, and was later called racist for the travel restrictions placed on people coming from China on Jan 31.

It's apparently been memory-holed, but during this period it was the US media calling it "no worse than the flu", not the other way around.

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