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Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Sadly people who dont care about their privacy will keep on using Chrome. Same with folks who are not so "advanced" as we call it.

I care about my privacy and I'm still using Chrome. On a Chromebook and a Pixel device. Speak for yourself.

|I care about my privacy

I don’t think that means what you think it means.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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post #613

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Sadly people who dont care about their privacy will keep on using Chrome. Same with folks who are not so "advanced" as we call it.

I care about my privacy, that's why I don't use Firefox, because the Mozilla Corporation was caught red-handed sending user data to an advertisement company, Cliqz.

You: "I care about my privacy" ... "I use chrome"

Huh?

I feel a lot less concerned about this than who knows what google is doing.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-tests-cliqz-engine-whi...

"Cliqz does not build browsing profiles for individual users and discards the user's IP address once the data is collected," the firm added."

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"Consequently, aggregation of user's data in the server-side (on Cliqz premises) is not technically feasible, as we have no means to know who is the original owner of the data," Cliqz says. "This is a strong departure from the industry standard of data collection."

And here's Mozillas info about it: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/archive/firefox-cliqz/...

Why should I be concerned? Given this information, why would I choose Chrome over Firefox for my privacy?

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Ouch, I understand why they want to not have a blocking webRequest API but I consider uBlock Origin to be a must-have extension. Hopefully this is relaxed somehow. I personally still use Firefox at home despite recent issues, but I honestly would prefer having both as an option, plus I always recommend uBlock Origin to everyone. (Disclaimer: I work at Google but not on Chrome, opinions are mine and not my employer's.…

Have there been recent issues? I've been using Firefox consistently for years and lately it seems better than usual.

For me the JS execution is much slower than Chrome. With all these React and Angular apps around it is noticeable.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Plus Chrome just works better for a lot of sites. That might be because the site isn't properly coded, but users don't care. They just want something that works and more often than not, that's Chrome. My main browser is Firefox, but I have to switch over to Chrome more often than I would like. Electron is also based on Chromium, isn't it? IMHO, the rise of Electron just reinforces Chromium's status and I think Micros…

What sites?

I was working on my taxes last weekend and I hit a bunch of them. ADP, the 401K and FSA provider sites, Aetna, and a 529 saving plan site are all ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Another reason to be glad that Firefox is still standing.

I worry that Mozilla will copy the API changes ("for compatibility!") and disable ublock on Firefox too, as Mozilla gets most of their funding from advertising companies too.

The question then will be which fork of Firefox becomes the most popular.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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A person politely making some points in favour of Firefox in a discussion about browsers does not merit a rude response.

1. I never asked for any of that response, nor did the situation imply that I needed to learn about the points stated to make a better decision. 2. There's a general passive-combative conversation about browsers going on ("I like Firefox, I don't get why people like Chrome" and vice versa) that I never wanted to be a part of, mostly because of how disrespectful and counterproductive it is. 3. In a thread about ad-blo…

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Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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The design doc — the part quoted in the note linked here even — explicitly notes that it will probably be required to retain some degree of the existing functionality slated for eventually removal until the new API and other replacements cover all use cases; the response linked here appears to (not improperly, in the context of making a case for why much of the functionality is needed) ignoring that and treating the…

It also spells out that the new API can consist solely of static, known ahead-of-time rules[1]. The rules are json, so that kills any logic beyond pattern matching. We already know that approach severely limits the effectiveness and usability of an ad blocker. It's pretty much the same as ad blocking with a hosts file, other than being able to also statically provide path info. Imagine a list of "bad sites" and/or "b…

> It also spells out that the new API can consist solely of static, known ahead-of-time rules

If it ends up as effective as Safari/iOS's content blocking, I don't see the problem.

> The fact that the plan ends with extensions still able to see all web requests, record all web requests, forward a log of all web requests to any arbitrary endpoint, etc...means the "privacy" angle is pure bullshit.

Yes, if you grant permission to access everything, it has permission to access everything. The benefit of the rule based approach is that the extension doesn't have to have access to everything.

The privacy angle is being able to move most extensions away from accessing all data in all tabs.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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So what do you use instead?

I do use Chrome. I know my data stays with Google and won't be siphoned to a third party that I don't know. I don't trust Google much but I trust them more than I trust a random third party, "better the devil you know than the devil you don't"

I think it is more a "better the mobster with a vacation home in town" essentially - while a bad actor's interests are aligned. They may still screw you over but if they are greedy ironically on your side.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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> I know my data stays with Google and won't be siphoned to a third party that I don't know. How can you be so sure about that?

You can't. But Google is an ad company and an ad company does not just give away their most valuable resource, the data. So it's more about the devil you know then the devil you don't know.

An ad company can sold your data in various forms and formats. Maybe it won't sell your raw data, but will sell you nevertheless.

Even if it doesn't sell your data, it can use your data to make their ads more efficient for you and people similar to you. While that's their business model, they are borderline abusing you in the process. This not something I'm comfortable with.

Re: Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A person politely making some points in favour of Firefox in a discussion about browsers does not merit a rude response.

1. I never asked for any of that response, nor did the situation imply that I needed to learn about the points stated to make a better decision. 2. There's a general passive-combative conversation about browsers going on ("I like Firefox, I don't get why people like Chrome" and vice versa) that I never wanted to be a part of, mostly because of how disrespectful and counterproductive it is. 3. In a thread about ad-blo…

Nobody here is nearly as combative as you. Look up projection.

You'd like your choices to be respected, but you are incapable of offering civility. Is that also a choice we should respect, or is it beyond your control?

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