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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by cannedslime »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

I test my stuff in IE, and honestly its not worth the extra time. So many inconsistencies with firefox & chrome, at least firefox behavior is well documented, but IE is not.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by h1d »

filomeno wrote: post #670
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Well, it's not my fault that I can't use Edge on my operating system of choice. It's not "YOU don't test your work in Egde" but "YOU don't test your work in Edge but you wouldn't be able to". So please, do not blame the users, but Microsoft.

It's not so hard to run it in virtualization to test.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by walls »

sergiosgc wrote: post #532
vic20forever wrote: post #370

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> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too. Watching Mozilla align Firefox's extension API with Chromium's, I'm a little surprised that they haven't already made the move. If browser evolution continues along the current path, I predict Firefox will switch to Chromium withi…

Do you mind listing mainstream sites that have serious glitches on Firefox? It's my main browser, and I can't remember one single mainstream site that glitches on FF.

New gmail is pretty awful in FireFox.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by h1d »

dx034 wrote: post #593
teknologist wrote: post #551

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I am not an expert on this, but I believe Chrome downloads a new exe waiting to be copied over when it is launched. The Firefox updater on the other hand is a whole progress bar experience where a lot of things seem to have to happen to perform an update.

I believe the problem with Edge is (correct me if I'm wrong) that files that would need to be updated are used by Windows Explorer, so any update would need a restart of the machine.

I thought they pushed Windows 10 and Edge to let go of legacy cruft. This is so year 2000 that app update needs a reboot.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by tbranyen »

proaralyst wrote: post #584
criddell wrote: post #580

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> monoculture _is_ bad From a security point of view, I think that's true. What are other problems? I think everybody using the same rendering engine would be a net positive.

It gives the Chromium project massive power over web standards. This happened with IE6 and was a bad time for the web.

It was a complete and totally different time for the web. I was waiting for folks to claim an open source project with outside contributors is the same as a proprietary company moving fast internally and shipping anything and evetything without following a standards process.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by unixhero »

criddell wrote: post #586
unixhero wrote: post #392

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After 20 years of cluster fuck after cluster fuck release, I am never ever going to consider supporting Internet Explorer with any of my work. It doesn't matter how good Edge would be. The damage is done. It's like the old adage: You cannot un-kick someone in the face.

Was your problem with IE or Microsoft? If it's the former, then you shouldn't have a big problem with Edge because it's an entirely different browser.

Yeah. I don't trust MS with my browser needs any longer. Call me difficult, I can go with that :)

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by filomeno »

h1d wrote: post #672
filomeno wrote: post #670

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Well, it's not my fault that I can't use Edge on my operating system of choice. It's not "YOU don't test your work in Egde" but "YOU don't test your work in Edge but you wouldn't be able to". So please, do not blame the users, but Microsoft.

It's not so hard to run it in virtualization to test.

It's the same effort it takes to run Linux in virtualization to test your software on it yet nobody does.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by demarq »

tssva wrote: post #660
sametmax wrote: post #547

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> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too. It seems very unlikely: - Mozilla has been in a far worse uderdog position before during the IE6 era, with way more incompatible sites and less funding. - Mozilla is not for profit. Fighting for the open Web is one of their goal.…

>Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again. This is not my experience. On my MacBook Pro it is slow and tends to cause system lockups on a regular basis. Everytime there is a new announcement about how the new Firefox has improved performance and stability I give it a try and each time am disappointed. On my phone the Firefox browser is almost unusably slow and slow enough that it can't replace Chrome.…

Same here, I see a whole lot of marketing and people saying it is fast, but 10 minutes into trying it seems to just struggle.

Watching youtube in 1080p it struggles and CPU goes up, fans are on.

Scrolling Heavy e-commerce sites (amazon, jumia)... CPU goes up, fans are on.

Yet, run chrome on these same sites, with the same settings and no fan noises/frezes at all.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by bepotts »

mda wrote: post #458
reitanqild wrote: post #444

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> Chrome didn’t come to dominate the desktop browser market by forcing users’ hand, but by offering a better experience. Disagree strongly. Reasons: - Google has been extremely pushy with Chrome, including lying (IMO) about it on their front page, a place where no other ads have been shown ever (IIRC). - Their own products often don't work in other browsers. Might be an honest mistake but personally I really don't bu…

So many conspiracy theories. When did HN become this hysterical...

Yeah it's really off putting. A lot of people here cannot come to grips with the fact that many tech companies are big because their customers people love their products; this includes Apple, Google, Facebook, and Amazon.

Nobody is pulling a fast one on me when I buy my iPhone and Mac. I know full well what Google and Facebook are doing with my data when I use their sites.

I. Don't. Care.

They have products and services that I want and I'm happy to fork over cash or data to get them. Please take your conspiracies elsewhere.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by TheKarateKid »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Surprisingly, casual Windows users have been "trained" to use Chrome and Firefox instead of IE/Edge, and Edge has the same logo so they know not to use it. So there's not much casual usage of Edge to begin with even though it's the default OS browser out of the box.

If Edge were multi-platform, then I'd consider it worth my time. But as Mac, Chrome OS, and Linux users continue to grow, I'm not going to waste my time making sure it works for a small amount of Windows users who barely even use the browser to begin with. Not to mention I'd need to dual-boot or run a VM just to test my work.

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