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Why I’m done with Chrome

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Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#673
post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could use it but it has serious performance problems on macOS. I tried and it was just terrible. (thought not all Mac users have problems, quite a number do, and Mozilla has an open issue asking for debugging logs from Macs to find the reasons).

If you are on MacOS, why don't you use Safari? I'm puzzled as to why people seem to dismiss the "built-in" browser. It's the fastest, smoothest, best integrated, and least power-hungry browser on the platform. I regularly use all three major browsers (for testing, I write web applications) and I consistently switch back to Safari for all my non-special browsing.

For me the biggest reason not to use Safari was that I couldn't paste screen snippets or images from a clipboard (e.g. Web Whatsapp etc). But after your comment I tried and they seem to have implemented it. Maybe even in Safari 12.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#674
Not that I am supporting Chromium (never used Chrome) or google but you could create a

  /etc/chromium-browser/policies/managed/test_policy.json
with contents

  {
       "DownloadDirectory": "/tmp",
       "DefaultNotificationsSetting": 2,
       "DefaultGeolocationSetting": 2,
       "AutoplayAllowed": false,
       "SigninAllowed": false,
       "RestrictSigninToPattern": "^$",
       "SyncDisabled": true,
       "CloudPrintProxyEnabled": false,
       "CloudPrintSubmitEnabled": false,
       "SpellCheckServiceEnabled": false,
       "TranslateEnabled": false,
       "SearchSuggestEnabled": false,
       "NetworkPredictionOptions": 2,
       "BrowserNetworkTimeQueriesEnabled": false,
       "MetricsReportingEnabled": false,
       "SafeBrowsingEnabled": false,
       "SafeBrowsingExtendedReportingOptInAllowed": false,
       "DefaultBrowserSettingEnabled": false,
       "SavingBrowserHistoryDisabled": true,
       "DefaultSearchProviderEnabled": true,
       "DefaultSearchProviderName": "DuckDuckGo",
       "DefaultSearchProviderSearchURL": "https://duckduckgo.com/?q={searchTerms}&kp=-1&kd=1&kl=uk-en",
       "DefaultSearchProviderIconURL": "https://duckduckgo.com/favicon.ico",
       "URLBlacklist": ["facebook.com", "https://www.facebook.com"],
       "CookiesAllowedForUrls": ["[*.]whatever.com", "[*.]whatevercdn.com", "[*.]whatever.io"],
       "CookiesBlockedForUrls": [
               "[*.]doubleclick.net",
               "[*.]wideopenpets.com"
       ],
       "BackgroundModeEnabled": false,
       "WPADQuickCheckEnabled": false,
       "VideoCaptureAllowed": false,
       "AudioCaptureAllowed": false,
       "EnableMediaRouter": false,
       "NativeMessagingUserLevelHosts": false,
       "DefaultWebBluetoothGuardSetting": 2,
       "ExtensionInstallForcelist": ["geddoclleiomckbhadiaipdggiiccfje;https://clients2.google.com/service/update2/crx","cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm;https://clients2.google.com/service/update2/crx","kljjfejkagofbgklifblndjelgabcmig;https://clients2.google.com/service/update2/crx"]
   }
For more flags: use chrome://policy https://www.chromium.org/administrators/linux-quick-start

P.S: I do understand your concern. But I see that increasingly google is building for its billions outside of EU/US where people share devices and look at security in a totally different way.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#675
post #92

I use firefox and have an addon to specifically erase my google cookies when I close the browser. I don't see a problem with this new chrome feature. Ive seen users logging into eachothers browser gmail, maybe google is democratizing the info they collect so everyone can access it? :) Ill point to this again https://youbroketheinternet.org/trackedanyway

Instead of erasing cookies, why not enable Firefox's first-party isolation?

Great idea thank you

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#676

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i too would love to see ms take 'phone' seriously, and do a surface phone line similar to iphone. own the hardware stack top to bottom. we need a third major force to offset apple/google, and MS is one of the few that could fill that gap. they did finally start to take ownership of experience with the surface stuff, and I'm tempted to move back to that world in 2019 with a surface book of some stripe.

>i too would love to see ms take 'phone' seriously Nadella won't because of MS hate. Lots of naive developers are drunk on the false open source android story and won't apps for their OS - e.g. snapchat founder refused to build an app for WP. And kept sending take down notices for community built clients. This is why MS keeps pursing web apps and "universal apps." Ms spent at billions in payment (bribes) to developer…

> Nadella won't because of MS hate.

Which is well-earned, they saved it for decades. What fueled their growth before, now is working against them.

> Lots of naive developers are drunk on the false open source android story

If you think leopard can change its spots, it's you who is naive. The arrogance with handling Windows 10 should tell you, that they didn't change; they will abuse their position when they think you have no other option. The "naive developers" as you call them know that and will not do anything to put Microsoft into that position.

> Ms spent at billions in payment (bribes) to developers to build WP apps, yet.

Yes, they did. They thought that their existing partners will help them. Fortunately, they were wrong.

> They have tried and failed multiple times to turn Windows into a store only OS.

Yes, developers giving Microsoft more power over themselves. What could possibly go wrong... It's a good thing they failed.

OS Store is not the thing that keeps Windows used.

> Their OS was unjailbreakable far more so than IOS.

That's another "feature" nobody asked for.

> Windows 10 auto updates is another clue that MS is clueless about data costs. I'll bet, more people left Windows for autoupdating than for being insecure.

That's just a symptom of hubris, mentioned above.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#677

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could use it but it has serious performance problems on macOS. I tried and it was just terrible. (thought not all Mac users have problems, quite a number do, and Mozilla has an open issue asking for debugging logs from Macs to find the reasons).

What performance issues have you experienced? Chrome and Firefox run the same on my machine. The only time I switch to Chrome is when some Javascript developer has for some reason disabled click functionality in browsers besides Chrome. Most recently Bank of America has prevented click functionality on their cash back merchants.

When that happens I just shift-right-click on them (in Firefox). There are add-ons if you don't want to have to do this.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#678

I use firefox and have an addon to specifically erase my google cookies when I close the browser. I don't see a problem with this new chrome feature. Ive seen users logging into eachothers browser gmail, maybe google is democratizing the info they collect so everyone can access it? :) Ill point to this again https://youbroketheinternet.org/trackedanyway

The Mozilla container plugin is really good. Just set all google domains to automatically open in their own container. Takes 30 seconds to install and 30 seconds to set that configuration.

This is nice but id rather not try and guess which domains they use, tho i suppose trying to guess cookies may pose a similar problem.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#679

Google started going down the path I would describe as an "evil" path years ago. I'm glad people are starting to notice. I used to be a huge Google advocate, up until about 2008. So many things have changed since then. Adsense was the first breach in trust for me, when they banned my account for no reason and ruined any chance of every monetizing my content...since they are basically a monopoly in that area. Getting…

I stopped trusting Google the day they announced they would use Gmail email content for displaying ads. Sometime in the late 00’s it was I think.

Your memory is a bit off. Algorithmic reading of emails for targeted ads was a feature of Gmail from day one.

Here's an article from June 2004:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/15/gmail_spook_heaven/

The privacy implications were widely discussed when Gmail launched, but then the media interest just faded out because people were apparently OK with it and Google promised to "do no evil". So here we are, 14 years later.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

#680
post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that MS was only hated by nerds, whereas Google is hated by everyone on earth.

I don’t know anyone who actively hates Google. Most people don’t even think about it, even though they’re constantly using it in one form or another. People hated Microsoft. Remember blue screens of death? Clippy? Developing for IE?

A lot people who are heavily right leaning in terms of policies does not like Google.

I even know a local Swedish podcaster that actively say DuckDuckGo instead of Google when relating to search. I completely understand this because I totally agree with the concept that Google has become politicized like a lot of companies unfortunately have become.

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