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Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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In addition to all of these valid complaints, it's also loud!

It's louder than their past keyboards but it's not loud. Compare it to a mechanical keyboard.

LOL - yes, I suppose it could be louder. But when’s the last time you saw somebody using a mechanical keyboard in a business meeting?

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I like machines that are built to take a beating. My penultimate laptop was an HP Mini 101; I only replaced it on a whim, and still use it from time to time. The keys have been worn to be smooth, concave and most are missing the printed text. When I last opened it up to add an SSD a suprising amount of sand came pouring out; having been taken to many beaches, tossed in bags, and generally used outdoors it had accumul…

I bought a new laptop recently. I was very close to paying well over £1k on an XPS 13 with an 8th gen quad core i5, 16GB of RAM, and a 512GB SSD. At some point, I came to my senses and bought a used Thinkpad X230 for just £80. I spent £100 on upgrading the RAM and SSD to match those of the XPS I mentioned (I got a rather lucky deal on the SSD). I'm currently planning on spending approximately another £100 on upgradin…

While I applaud your DIY ethics - theres no warranty if parts fail. It also is more effort than most will go though.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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As someone who spends his day shuffling between conference rooms before mercifully being given time to work, I am grateful for every ounce shaved off of the device I work on. no sacrifice to battery, and it's on my company's dime if it fails.

Why is shuffling between conference rooms so arduous? When did people become so weak as to not be able to carry a few pounds (or even ounces) between rooms? That's not a good thing and arguing about such little weight is indicative of much bigger health problems than any laptop design issues.

I routinely walk home from work—3 miles, which takes about an hour. Even with a high-quality shoulder strap, I can notice a half-pound difference in laptop weight.

My T480 is lighter than a 15" MBP, and is user-serviceable. It's also one of the less svelte models in the ThinkPad line—if I wanted to sacrifice a bit of repairability (nothing as bad as Apple) for some weight savings, I could have gone with a T480s or X1 Carbon.

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Realistically, I just can't really see Apple fixing this by introducing a new keyboard design that's any thicker. As much as I would love to hear "We've heard your feedback on the keyboards and we've made some drastic changes to address them in our new Macbook Pro", it just doesn't seem like their style. What do others think they're going to do for their next release of laptops?

I think they'll gradually improve the keyboard. It won't be great but it will be good enough. like the "don't hold it that way" antenna gate problem and the phone bending problems.. They'll fix.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4#Antenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_6#Chassis_bending Honestly, its hard to get off the mac ecosystem though. I have a macbook pro, and am starting to look at linux laptops. Th…

The difference is that the antenna & bending issues were grossly exaggerated by clickbait reporting and lawyers angling for a class action win. As the wikipedia articles note, neither affected a significant number of users – the iPhone 4's antenna was still more sensitive than the 3GS it replaced – whereas the keyboard issues affect a lot of people. It's not the urban legend-style “my third cousin has a friend who held his phone hard enough to drop a call” reports which characterized those earlier flaps but real named people who are directly affected and getting hardware replacements because Apple techs agreed with the problem.

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Except for the nostril cam, and the greasy palm rest... and coil whine...

Fwiw the coil whine is apparently fixed in newer generations.

Oddly enough it has gone completely away on my 2017 model. I can only guess a firmware upgrade fixed it, which is probably unlikely. Or getting jossled around in my backpack got it aligned?

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FWIW, my Macbook (not my primary machine) cost me 400€ second hand and I spent another 100€ upgrading to 8GB Ram and an SSD drive. It's a ten year old machine which runs like a dream. I challenge anyone to find a better computing solution for 500€. You could install Linux on a 500€ laptop but you wouldn't have the keyboard or screen quality of the Macbook, nor would have access to the Apple ecosystem. A lot of progra…

> You could install Linux on a 500€ laptop but you wouldn't have the keyboard or screen quality of the Macbook, nor would have access to the Apple ecosystem. I used a 2009 MacBook pro for close to 3 years. The following are my opinions, they are not valid for everyone but for some of us they are very valid: Keyboard had ctrl in a different spot than every other keyboard I ever spent significant time with. (Disclaimer…

> Keyboard lacked home, end

^A, ^E, just like on a terminal or Emacs. ^K deletes to the end of the line.

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Technically no, not exactly. It’s intel’s fault. Their damn architectures won’t support DDR4LP - that’s the low power variant - because they’ve become complacent. Also the lack of PCIe lanes forced Apples’s hand on USBc only design, although it’s such a daft choice they should’ve just gone with 2 TB ports and keep the other “legacy” available. But no, they had to brag about dual 4K external monitors to it had to be 4…

There's a simple solution for the lack of DDR4LP: end the "thinner and lighter" insanity and provide normal DDR4 with a decent battery capacity by making the laptop 2mm thicker and 0.5 pound heavier.

It's impossible to provide decent battery life in a laptop with normal DDR4, it uses 80% more battery in standby:

https://macdaddy.io/macbook-pro-limited-16gb-ram/

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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I mostly agree with you. But really, who needs +16GB RAM on their laptop?! I think the need for more RAM is correlated with the need for more CPU clock, more powerful graphic card, and a better Motherboard, all of which result in a huge decrease in battery life (which is supposed to be a laptop's main strength over heavy, power-consuming PC).

I need the RAM. Network modeling, network simulation, dev installations of SDN platforms. This is a developer and programmer forum, right?

It's the reason I end up always looking at gaming laptops. I don't really need a GPU at all, it's nice but not needed. However yeah, Cores & RAM that's what I need.
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