Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] • Hacker News Board

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by gohrt » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 3:41 AM UTC

Graphon1 wrote: post #346

yolesaber wrote: post #209

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>High brow smack (condescension) like that and "basket of deplorables" are what America revolted against. Actually, the majority of Americans agreed with Hillary Clinton. She won the popular vote by over a million votes. We just use an outdated system built to appease slaveholders that does not necessarily represent the bulk will of the people. Trump won on a technicality of our (antiquated and frankly awful) system,…

> We just use an outdated system built to appease slaveholders that does not necessarily represent the bulk will of the people. It may have been built with slave/free state "fairness" in mind, but even today the mechanism serves to level out the tyranny of the majority, from the states' perspective.

A state doesn't have a "perspective". A state is just a line drawn around a collection of people. Mathematically, a majority of states have excess power in proportion to its population. From a state's imagined perspective, it's a tyranny of the majority.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by postcarnival » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 3:42 AM UTC

jdc0589 wrote: post #122

> FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal This is what I have the biggest problem with. The ONLY WAY we are going to continue making progress towards widespread clean renewable energy is if it is financially beneficial for corporations to continue investing in R&D. Sure, there are s…

how do we know that "clean energy" hasn't been artificially propped up to begin with? if we can burn coal much cleaner and more efficiently then so what? let's do it if it's cheaper. We can still develop new technologies, that won't stop regardless.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 3:42 AM UTC

jdc0589 wrote: post #122

> FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal This is what I have the biggest problem with. The ONLY WAY we are going to continue making progress towards widespread clean renewable energy is if it is financially beneficial for corporations to continue investing in R&D. Sure, there are s…

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Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by sean_patel » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 3:42 AM UTC

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Despite being an independent left leaning liberal, I welcome this proposal, if they can actually implement it. I see wide-spread exploitation of the "Sanctuary City" Law in San Francisco, especially in the Restaurants, Construction site and Janitorial jobs. The Sanctuary Law, for those that don't know, forbids the Feds from asking employers about the immigration status of the employees / workers. This has caused 100s…

I still can't tell _why_ you support the proposal. What are the actual problems with sanctuary laws?

1) Sanctuary Laws allow undocumented immigrants to live and work in such cities... for CASH. Since the employer - usually labor intensive like at Restaurants, construction sites, janitorial services etc - pays cash, the employer can pay anything, even as low as 5 to 8$ an hour. So the undocumented immigrant is getting exploited.

2) Since they are undocumented, these workers also routinely get harassed, abused by employers. I've seen 1st hand female restaurant workers touched, rubbed, groped etc in the kitchen. They can't go anywhere to complaint cos they'll get identified and deported

3) Lastly, and this is 1 of my major concerns, whenever these undocumented immigrants needs medical assistance, the city's tax payers foot the bill for the ambulance, hospitalization etc since these people (don't mean it to sound like that) also don't have health insurance. 1 Restaurant owner in the edge of the Tenderloin district told me that this population accounted for over 70K of tax payers money in 2015 (not sure how he found that out).

Lastly -- and this is not something I subscribe to, but Trump made it a big deal as it is sensational and brings in the "angry white man" voters to his fold -- undocumented immigrants have committed violent crimes in San Francisco and in 1 such case, a lady was shot point blank range while she was strolling in Fisherman's Wharf (totally unrelated to deranged shooter) and Trump made it a case of "See we allow undocumented immigrants and they come and murder us."

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by jjawssd » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 3:43 AM UTC

pen2l wrote: post #399

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Well, that's one way to get all of Mexico hooked on Bitcoin.

Hah! Great point! Now is the time for a startup to emerge that makes Bitcoin _EASY_ ! Easy like my-grandma-can-do-it easy. This actually finally might be the thing that makes BTC!

... that makes BTC get shut down in the clear

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by gohrt » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 3:43 AM UTC

oldmanjay wrote: post #324

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> The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority High brow smack (condescension) like that and "basket of deplorables" are what America revolted against. If the liberal left was truly smart, why did they allow the president to run up more national debt than all presidents prior...combined?

Here's Nate Silver today trying to explain trump: > America hasn’t put its demons — including racism, anti-Semitism and misogyny — behind it. White people still make up the vast majority of the electorate, particularly when considering their share of the Electoral College, and their votes usually determine the winner. By intentionally continuing to attempt to associate support for trump with a litany of unacceptable…

Today we learned that racists and sexists are rebelling against ... being disliked for being racist and sexist.

Yes, I supposed we could fix that by not complaining about them being racist and sexist.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by chenster » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 3:44 AM UTC

In other words, it's all other people / country's fault.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by inostia » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 3:45 AM UTC

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You can find more detail on how he plans to make Mexico pay for the wall here: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf Specifically, he will threaten to disallow wire transfer of money from US to Mexico by non-citizens. Since that is a revenue source they greatly depend on, he suggests they'd rather fund the building of the wall. If they agree to fund the wall, then the ban on transfers will go away.

How do you know if a wire transfer is from a U.S. Citizen?

Because it would enact legislation that would require ID before wire transfer? I'm not sure if this is currently done, but it may upend laws (in CA) re: getting a driver's license if you are an illegal citizen. I can't imagine that it would be required to submit a birth certificate or social security card for wire transfer.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by postcarnival » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 3:47 AM UTC

josho wrote: post #391

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There's a lot of room to wonder about his trustworthiness given his record as a businessman, but even in this document, he doesn't address campaign finance reform. Congressional term-limits just consolidate power in the moneyed elites--the problems is not just the politicians, it's who corrupted them. If anything, this is a document to passify those moneyed interests who, unlike say Sheldon Adelson, worry about a Tru…

Trump railed against the system that allowed politicians to be bought. It turns out his solution is to term limit congress. Sounds like treating a symptom not the root cause.

so what, then let's offer solutions and try to get them enacted? why all the armchair bitching on this site as if everyone is an expert just because they write code? what he did is nothing short of monumental and he WANTS to help America. If everyone is so damn smart then get involved and suggest changes. It's not like he's a fucking robot that is going to sit back and count how many marble statues he has in his garden!

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Post by badsock » Thu, Nov 10, 2016, 3:48 AM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #250

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> I'm genuinely curious what the restrictions are that are throttling our energy industry. "Environmental regulation". Who needs clean air or water. Superfunds Sites are cheap to clean up right?

Superfund sites are expensive, and that's exactly why they're great for the economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window