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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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dangus wrote: post #563
kelnos wrote: post #220

As soon as I saw the email announcement for the 13 Pro, my face fell. My assumption was that this was a brand new, incompatible chassis, and that my current 13 would be obsolete, and if I want to go further, I'd have to buy a whole new chassis in one go. Essentially a full laptop replacement, completely betraying the entire point. And then I click through and see the compatibility table and my jaw drops. Amazing! Yes…

I think the term “throttling” has done some poisoning of the way we discuss laptops. It’s like a derogatory word that implies instability or something like that. I wouldn’t think of thermal performance in laptops as “throttling,” think about it in terms of “how much power is this laptop manufacturer deciding to give the chip versus its maximum possible rating and what does that mean for me?” Performance per watt has…

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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by super256 »

dangus wrote: post #563
kelnos wrote: post #220

As soon as I saw the email announcement for the 13 Pro, my face fell. My assumption was that this was a brand new, incompatible chassis, and that my current 13 would be obsolete, and if I want to go further, I'd have to buy a whole new chassis in one go. Essentially a full laptop replacement, completely betraying the entire point. And then I click through and see the compatibility table and my jaw drops. Amazing! Yes…

I think the term “throttling” has done some poisoning of the way we discuss laptops. It’s like a derogatory word that implies instability or something like that. I wouldn’t think of thermal performance in laptops as “throttling,” think about it in terms of “how much power is this laptop manufacturer deciding to give the chip versus its maximum possible rating and what does that mean for me?” Performance per watt has…

Some laptops do become unusable once they start thermal throttling. I have an Matebook X Pro (2020, the one with i7) which throttles to the point where I can't even properly write code in VSC anymore (I do only light web apps).

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by toyg »

lynndotpy wrote: post #205
unclad5968 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isnt that the entire value proposition of the company?

It's kind of mind boggling to me that they have a tight chassis, AND it meets their buildable/ugpradeable/repairable goals, AND their backwards compatibility is reaching back five years now. I think a number of people would have expected these to eventually require a trade-off. Especially coming from pc-building land, where we see new non-backwards-compatible CPU and RAM sockets every 6 or so years. There's a version…

At some point they will still likely have to force that cut-off, but yeah, it's great that they seem to be able to stretch it for longer than most people would have expected.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by delamon »

nmlt wrote: post #594
archon810 wrote: post #575

Is there an option for a keyboard with dedicated PgUp/PgDn/Home/End/Insert/Delete keys? I looked at a bunch of designs and didn't find any. If this is a developer-focused laptop, how can the keyboard be so developer-unfriendly? This is why I keep getting Lenovo laptops, they don't compromise on these keys.

There are enough keys there, just configure some to your liking. That’s a software problem.

Not really. PgUp, PgDown are missing. It is possible to configure software combination that would emulate them. But emulation is emulation.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by throwaway85825 »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #597
throwaway85825 wrote: post #590

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The form factor is only a tiny part of the RAM module price. DRAM already isn't compatible gen to gen so you might as well go with the most optimized form factor

I agree, competition and economies of scale are much larger factors. Custom RAM SKUs for a single manufacturer with no competition will obviously cost more than an industry standard part. And you'll be locked to buying RAM upgrades from framework themselves.

SOCAMM is a jedec standard nvidia is already shipping in several products.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by perks_12 »

rglover wrote: post #7

Has anyone made the jump from a Mac to Framework as a daily driver? This is the first model to get my attention as a possible candidate for a full switch to Linux.

I did. I keep my charging cable close, or basically always attached. Battery life is abysmal. No idea why, had other Linux-based laptops before. Battery life was never good, but never this bad.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

dheera wrote: post #603
notenlish wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thermals hopefully won't be a problem, since the new Intel chips are quite efficient.

The main problem with Framework 13 thermals is that if you just put it on top of a bed or sofa, the cloth blocks the bottom ventilation holes and the PC roasts itself with zero airflow. It's fine placed on top of a table, just not on a soft surface. I wish they would fix this glaring issue. Most normies are just going to place their laptops on the couch or bed without thinking about it. Macbooks have a better design…

Normies don’t buy framework laptops.

Search this thread for the “oh but it’s so expensive, I could just buy a new laptop from any other manufacturer every 3 years and it would be cheaper” posts - those are the normies.

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