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F-35 is built for the wrong war

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Re: F-35 is built for the wrong war

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Post by tim333 »

greedo wrote: post #369
fpoling wrote: post #60

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Yep, apparently Ukraine still cannot affect fuel production in Russia to any significant point. Drones with less than 100 kg of explosives do not do particularly significant damage. One really need to deliver like a ton or more of explosives and for that one needs bombers that can penetrate air defenses or very expensive stealth cruise missiles or big ballistic missiles.

Hah. Ukraine has cut Russian petroleum production 40%...

And they've only recently cranked things up, seeming having given up on Trump who wanted restraint there.

Re: F-35 is built for the wrong war

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Post by vanviegen »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #462
poszlem wrote: post #296

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ASML is not "yours" too in that case as it happens to be european.

I mean it's literally beholden to the USA congress and it's most meaningful parts are made in the USA. There is a reason why they fall in line with every USA export control and restriction. If ASML is Europe's then I'd say all of Europe is the USA's.

> it's literally beholden to the USA congress

Could you explain what you mean by that?

Re: F-35 is built for the wrong war

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Post by vanviegen »

carefree-bob wrote: post #315
poszlem wrote: post #296

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ASML is not "yours" too in that case as it happens to be european.

ASML's largest shareholder is Intel, and they rely on a supply chain from American, German, and other western European countries, all on the US leash. But more importantly, ASML does exactly what America tells them to do. And Europe for the most part does as well. Sorry, I wish Europe had the fortitude to not be subordinated to the US, but that's how it is.

Intel does not hold a significant share in ASML anymore.

I agree that the US has other 'western' countries 'on a leash'. That used to be an arrangement that was mutually beneficial...

Re: F-35 is built for the wrong war

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Post by tucnak »

nradov wrote: post #615
tucnak wrote: post #531

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Sea Baby

Doubt it. The sea states tend to be higher around Taiwan.

There are semi- and fully submersible variants on the way, that can stay underwater for prolonged periods of time! Sea Baby is growing into quite a few different things over the months.

Re: F-35 is built for the wrong war

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Post by jandrewrogers »

greedo wrote: post #608
jandrewrogers wrote: post #512

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The US is converging on a single class of combat ships, which is whatever DDG-X turns into. It converges what was previously destroyers, cruisers, and frigates. It is more capable and has a higher displacement than any of them despite being called a "destroyer". Much of the distinction separation historically was that ship category reflected command officer rank. They have been decoupling that, which honestly makes s…

DDG-X is dead.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. The Navy decided (again) that the hull wasn't large enough to carry all of the mission ordnance.

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Post by tencentshill »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #340
calvinmorrison wrote: post #333

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well yes you need to keep the aerospace and engineering pipelines full if you ever need to actually go to war. So boeing and all the other chumps making gravy is part of the deal in downtime

That is asinine, what do you think happens to those institutions when incompetence is what gets rewarded. The real threat to the US military is not the lack of weapons, or that the F35 is not as good or as cheap as it could have been, it's because it is a lumbering bureaucracy full of people who couldn't get better jobs elsewhere.

>lumbering bureaucracy full of people who couldn't get better jobs elsewhere.

That's what trump has always believed all government employees are. Since at least the 70s. DOGE was his weapon to enact his truth.

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Post by johnsmith1840 »

Thaxll wrote: post #440
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #398

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Pretty sure Iran didn't plan on being obliterated. Why did they have a navy if this was their only plan? Also blocking the straight is funny because the only people it hurts is everyone in the world but the US.

I'm sure Americans are finding it funny to pay for $3+ a gallon. The entire economy suffers from it.

Whose the largest oil exporter in the world?

US about to be scroogemcducking in oil money

Re: F-35 is built for the wrong war

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Post by expedition32 »

doodlebugging wrote: post #446
PearlRiver wrote: post #410

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America does not want to prepare for that kind of conflict. It wants B2 bombers because those look cool when they fly over during the Superbowl. Ukraine is a real war and it is about men and women crawling in the mud constantly terrified of getting blown up. It is literally battle of the Somme again. How do you recruit college kids for that?

You don't recruit them, you draft them.

Thank god I'm too old. Although I suppose you're never too old for a human wave assault...

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

benoau wrote: post #224
spongebobstoes wrote: post #213

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$25k per flight hour is a lot more than what drones cost

What's crazy is there's lots of videos of Ukranians shooting drones from open-cockpit propeller planes that barely cost more than the drones! I think in a serious drone war we would just have fleets of Cesnas flying around with a person hanging out the door with a shotgun lol.

In the Second World War, the most effective defence against Germany's V1 was getting a fast plane to fly alongside it with its wingtip under the V1's wingtip. They didn't actually "bump" the V1s, just got one wing into a kind of "ground effect" which caused it to roll beyond the capability of the gyro to compensate.

They're doing this to take down all sorts of stuff the Russians are lobbing at Ukraine.

Re: F-35 is built for the wrong war

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Post by bigfudge »

PowerElectronix wrote: post #537
bigfudge wrote: post #63

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There is no in winning a war between the US and China, even assuming it doesn't go nuclear. There would only be losers all over the world. It would make the current Iran conflict look like a tiny speedbump (albeit one which is likely to cause malnutrition and starvation for millions of people in subsaharan Africa within 6-12 months).

There is a win condition achievable in a US-China war. You leave the army in shambles and take over the political power structures, like with nazi germany or any other conventional country in the world. It'd be hell, for sure, but it is a war that can end in victory for either side.

You’ve missed or are ignoring my point that any victory would be pyrrhic.
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