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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by td2 »

sunshine-o wrote: post #96

Those governments are totally inept. For decades they have alienated their own native population, especially men. And now they want to conscript them as their approval ratings are around 15℅. Think about it, Trump approval rating fell sharply but is still at about 40%. Merz is at 15% and most of those 15% are probably boomers in a nursing home. He is probably closer to 0% within the demographic he is trying to conscr…

I think comparing percentages inst quite fair, considering you have only two choices in the us, compared to the spectrum of choices un germany.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by td2 »

id00 wrote: post #525
tsoukase wrote: post #520

I still cannot understand why and what we are fighting for. Setting aside the wars of the previous decades, Russia was a long term ally with Ukraine, much like the USA and Canada and then out of nowhere they are in a "soft war". Also, after 50 years of the Islamic regime in Iran, we should engage in another soft war, again because of ill defined reasons. The soft is in contrast to regular war which locks down the who…

Russia, and especially Putin (over the last 26 years), never considered Ukraine an ally but rather a puppet and something that must be in their direct influence/control. Their relationship can’t be compared to the one the US and Canada had.

But it can be compared to the relation us and canada currently have lol

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Post by t23414321 »

oblio wrote: post #545
vasac wrote: post #518

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m implying they aren’t getting ready because they think Russians are going to march on Berlin.

Let's turn this into an affirmation, not a negation. What are you affirming?

..some nonsense propaganda ? - I guess.

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Post by dingi »

samus wrote: post #530
dingi wrote: post #455

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> Especially since women have largely abandoned their traditional duties and still kinda expect men to hold their end of the bargain. As far as I see, women still birth and raise children and take care of most of the household; they just also work in the addition. Don't know what you're talking about.

Birth rates among liberal women in almost all developed societies suggest otherwise. Women are doing double duty and doing both badly. Women are relatively and absolutely less happier than they were 50 years ago. So I'm having hard time believing that this new norm is a win for anyone.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by dingi »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #554
dingi wrote: post #455

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How about we just don’t fight stupid wars? There hasn’t been a real need for a draft in America since the civil war (in the sense that America was not plausibly threatened by the world wars, Korea, Vietnam, etc).

Wars are part of nature. It is inevitable. So your proposition is based on wrong assumptions.

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Post by throwawaypath »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #119
diath wrote: post #100

Why does it exclude women? War is not just physical strength, but also logistics, operating vehicles, operating drones, nursing, and so on. All tasks that women are well capable of.

I agree but in countries with larger populations, there are two reasons: 1) Women can have children, and after a major war a large section of the population may be killed, and its better to have more women than men, since you can repopulate faster. 2) Women take over a large share of industrial labor during wartime. This was a mistake the Germans made in WW2, because they were so mystified by Nazism. But in the US, w…

>Women can have children, and after a major war a large section of the population may be killed, and its better to have more women than men, since you can repopulate faster.

This is Europe. Women won't have more children, they'll just vote to import another 10 million MENA migrants.

>Women take over a large share of industrial labor during wartime.

This is Europe. Women won't take over a large share of industrial labor, they'll just vote to import another 10 million MENA migrants.

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Post by throwawaypath »

landl0rd wrote: post #345
aziaziazi wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some countries don’t see sex as a criteria for conscription: good job Norway, Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_and_sexism

There's a very cold-blooded but good reason why a nation rationally should use men as cannon fodder before women: they are more expendable in terms of reproduction. You need fewer men relative to women. Also, societies with more men than women tend to be unstable and high-crime and whatnot. Societies with more women than men survive a bit better.

> Also, societies with more men than women tend to be unstable and high-crime and whatnot. Societies with more women than men survive a bit better.

Demonstrably false: China and Russia

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Post by lifestyleguru »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #507
lifestyleguru wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are indeed evolving into a situation where Islamic monarchies not only sound reasonable but start to look like a viable option.

*As long as you're part of a privileged, accepted class

White European is enough? how rich do I have to be?

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Post by croes »

guerrilla wrote: post #630
croes wrote: post #625

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Right, completely unpaid, which is why most women who take care of family members don’t acquire any pension and social security benefits for that work. That’s why many of them don’t have the time for a full time paid job and either work part time or don’t have a job at all.

They have a job and they are paid for it. They also do have pensions and social security benefits: through their husbands. If the husband remains alive, they continue to be paid as they were before retirement. If he dies, they often inherent his pension and assets. It's a terrible system and we need to modernize it but you're still wrong on all of your points.

No, they are not paid. Their husbands get paid, they have all the pensions and social security benefits, not them.

Means total dependence on their husbands. If they get a divorce they have nothing.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by croes »

allan_s wrote: post #632
croes wrote: post #625

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, completely unpaid, which is why most women who take care of family members don’t acquire any pension and social security benefits for that work. That’s why many of them don’t have the time for a full time paid job and either work part time or don’t have a job at all.

But then we also can't request 50% of CEOs being women or any job with that arguments ? Wouldn't it be more fair to be excused if you actually can prove that you're taking care of familly members regardless of man/woman ? Why would a perfectly able 20 year old woman be excuzed by default based on her sex ?

You are excused from military service if you have to take care of family members, but it’s so rarely done by men compared to women that it is less work to handle the exceptions than changing the law and create more paperwork
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