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Re: Migrating to the EU

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If you're going through all that effort why not migrate to open-source/self-hosted?

Email? The rest of your life will be spent wondering if anyone got your message or if you've missed something important. Registrar, and search? Not possible. Maps? Paper would be more practical. Browser, done. Git, a lot of extra work for no gain.

> Git, a lot of extra work for no gain.

I guess it depends a bit on scale and additional feature requirements, but a remote git repo is pretty trivial to self-host, no?

I have my personal ones sitting on a standard vps, but they could be anywhere

Re: Migrating to the EU

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More elaboration on what’s involved in “correctly” would probably drive the point home — “this works because” vs “works for me.”

I made sure to include the word correctly in the reply. Mox mailserver tells you exactly what to do. I think mailcow does as well. A lot of people don't do it and then tell others that selfhosting email with good deliverability is impossible. You set it up once and you're good to go

It depends on whether your IP address has good reputation or not. Don't act like we're idiots, we know what SPF, DKIM and DMARC are. We've seen perfect e-mails (rated 100/100 by deliverability services) get rejected by Microsoft because reasons.

You were lucky, congratulations.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Could you summarize the easy and hard aspects? Have you had any unexpected benefits or downsides?

For me: - SES was a big one. There was no affordable alternative at my (not big, not small) scale. - I'm still waning myself personally of GMail. That dependency took decades to build and it will take years for all ties to sever.

Have you checked out zeptomail by zoho? Not as low cost, but getting close. More basics build in.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Defeatism; alternatives don't have to be perfect to be useful. In other words, it's a journey, not a destination.

Totally get what you're saying, and improving personal security can also be fun as a mental exercise. It's just there's a lot comments in this thread (hundreds) about how you can migrate EU to escape USG surveillance, which is just not realistic.

It's plenty realistic, just not perfect. Extradition is different than real time surveillance, for example.

Re: Migrating to the EU

#665
This stuff strikes me as misguided. Britain's Ofcom is sending censorship/deanonymization requests around the world, Germany prosecutes thousands of its citizens every year for "offensive" things said online... and you think Europe is a bastion of free speech or privacy? You might find that you have greater rights on US soil.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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What actually happened was that former EU Commissioner Thierry Breton publicly stated on French TV in January 2025 that if the AfD won in Germany, elections there could also be annulled by the EU "as was done in Romania". That was a stupid thing for him to say, but he is a private citizen, he did not represent the EU in any capacity, and there is no evidence whatsoever that the EU pressured Romania. Of course, post-t…

Yes it's always the evil Russians and the stupid people are influenced by TikTok so we need to tell them what they should vote! From e.g. Wikipedia: >At the time of his exclusion, Georgescu was leading in public opinion polls D'oh! >That was a stupid thing for him to say, but he is a private citizen How convenient he got fired, everything is good now, surely the Commission does not hold the same views as him! Are you…

> Yes it's always the evil Russians and the stupid people are influenced by TikTok so we need to tell them what they should vote!

I didn't call anyone stupid. I have been deceived many times in my life. It happens to all of us and it is happening to you now.

> At the time of his exclusion, Georgescu was leading in public opinion polls

Yes, that is the issue with misinformation, isn't it? It works. Otherwise nobody would care, would they? Misinformation is incredibly destructive, for example it caused Brexit, which was based on mostly lies, some of them famously written on a bus, along with algorithmic manipulation by Cambridge Analytica, that were never properly challenged leading to the referendum. This is all well-known by now and easily verifiable.

> How convenient he got fired

He didn't get fired, you are making things up. This is precisely the sort of misinformation that destroys democracy. He had resigned months before this appearance on French TV because of frictions with von der Leyen, who tried to block him from being reappointed. By the time he gave the interview, he was already a private citizen and his resignation had nothing to do with this incident.

Also, and importantily, he never claimed that the problem was that any party of candidate was "bad" or "not acceptable". Breton framed his remarks around enforcing EU law against foreign interference, specifically in the context of Elon Musk's (a foreign actor, by the way) support for the AfD ahead of Germany's snap elections. He said: "Let's stay calm and enforce the laws in Europe. They did it in Romania and, obviously, it will have to be done, if necessary, in Germany as well".

The misrepresentation that you are repeating was initially posted on X by the account Visegrád 24, a well-known propaganda account that constantly posts lies and disinformation with an anti-EU bias.

> But I support a free and democratic process and these are no longer in place.

Unfortunately there is indeed one European member state that is suffering democratic backsliding and that is Hungary, but this is not the EU's fault. Otherwise, everything you wrote is demonstrably false.

> If you ban leading candidates and try to ban political parties that are in the lead (AfD and CDU constantly switch #1 positions in polls by 1-2 percentagep points) just because they are not on "your side" you are not better than any country that you mark as authoritian.

AfD has not been banned, and the issue is not them being on my side or not. There are plenty of political parties that I dislike in Europe and I don't want them to be banned. I only wish to ban parties and candidates that break the law, namely by receiving illegal funding from out geopolitical enemies because, unlike the "nationalist" post-truth movements, I am actually a patriot and I love Europe, open societies and liberal democracy.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Hitler and his cronies were so surprised that the system he had vowed to destroy let him in. > And don't get me wrong, I support neither https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance It is not about who you support and what your favorite color is.

And there is the Hitler argument!

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Re: Migrating to the EU

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post #665

This stuff strikes me as misguided. Britain's Ofcom is sending censorship/deanonymization requests around the world, Germany prosecutes thousands of its citizens every year for "offensive" things said online... and you think Europe is a bastion of free speech or privacy? You might find that you have greater rights on US soil.

The US president is threatening to shutdown news organizations that report about his war in ways he does not like.

The US government is sanctioning European individuals for doing their jobs, preventing them and their families from accessing any US digital service.

I could go on. But the message is already clear: Relying on US services is gambling with a ticking time bomb.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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For me: - SES was a big one. There was no affordable alternative at my (not big, not small) scale. - I'm still waning myself personally of GMail. That dependency took decades to build and it will take years for all ties to sever.

Have you checked out zeptomail by zoho? Not as low cost, but getting close. More basics build in.

Not EU.

> Zoho Corporation is an Indian multinational technology company that makes cloud-based office software.

Re: Migrating to the EU

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Could you summarize the easy and hard aspects? Have you had any unexpected benefits or downsides?

For me: - SES was a big one. There was no affordable alternative at my (not big, not small) scale. - I'm still waning myself personally of GMail. That dependency took decades to build and it will take years for all ties to sever.

What is the difficulty in getting away from gmail?

I did it a few years ago and I simply signed up for Fastmail and had gmail forward all email there. It forwards to a specific e-mail address so I can see if there are still people/companies that use the old email address. The painful part was going through all my accounts to update the e-mail, but you can do it in stages if you follow the above.

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