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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by cromka »

chpatrick wrote: post #655
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

None of that sells phones.

Eh, wildcard statements like this. Checked your history and you sure like one-liner hit-and-runs like this one. No substance, just vague opinions.

But to actually answer you properly: Heard of OnePlus? They were niche manufacturers curating to geeks like ourselves at the very beginning and THEY USED CyanogenMod ROM! When it was way, WAY more amateurish than GrapheneOS!

When a market is super saturated, the only way to stand out is to experiment and see if something sticks.

This is going to be a very good experiment and can absolutely sell like hot cakes, especially in Europe if they market it well. We absolutely need an – even semi – independent Android hardware here.

Not that I am expecting any meaningful response from you.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by MarsIronPI »

chpatrick wrote: post #655
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

None of that sells phones.

It does to a certain audience: the people who care about privacy, security and freedom.

I suspect that as time goes on our numbers will only increase.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by array_key_first »

godelski wrote: post #561
array_key_first wrote: post #534

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Android phones do phone things. They work perfectly fine - in many ways better than iPhones, and in others not as well.

I switched to an iPhone more in an act to protest Google and I regret my decision. Things didn't get easier, they got harder. I mean for christ's sake, there's no universal gesture for "back". Do I swipe from the side? Press the x button at the top left? The top right? Is there no option I can find so I just force close the app? When I swipe to text with autocorrect turned off why does it change the word I swiped AND…

I switched from iPhone to Android and I was fully expecting a world of pain but I was (am?) pleasantly surprised.

The back button thing is real. When I have to use someone else's iPhone I immediately feel the lack of consistency.

And KDE Connect is fantastic to use. So many things on iPhones are just annoying for no reason. I don't want to buy a 1000 dollar computer to look at my photos, come on now.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by idontwantthis »

rangestransform wrote: post #418
sho_hn wrote: post #396

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> so many developers and other tech nerds - the type who post on HN The average developer stopped being a "tech nerd" around 2010 or so. I think older developers sometimes don't understand how the ranks have swollen and how many, many more people are in software now that don't have the "I was a nerdy kid in the 90s, loved computers and chose the career" upbringing. The average developer now has a MacBook, went to a b…

I used to be a custom rom guy in high school, and I also used to develop apps for my nexus 5. Now I have an iPhone and I save the tech nerding for work hours. I definitely would not have gotten this far without my custom rom days, but now my phone just needs to do phone things so I can work on robots instead.

I like iPhone and won't go back to android because I am comfortably using a 6 year old iPhone on the latest operating system with no real issues. Planning to keep using it until it stops getting security updates, or the hardware fails.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by thewebguyd »

moffkalast wrote: post #488
maxloh wrote: post #431

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I don’t think so. Motorola Mobility is owned by the Chinese Lenovo, making it an adversary-owned entity in the eyes of most Western governments. Even with a fully open-source OS and first-class MDM, the company would struggle to gain significant market share. The Hardware Root of Trust and the binary blobs would still be compiled by a firm that Western governments view as a fundamental supply-chain risk.

> Lenovo (/ləˈnoʊvoʊ/ lə-NOH-voh, Chinese: 联想; pinyin: Liánxiǎng), is a Hong Kong–based Chinese-American[11] multinational corporation > Lenovo originated as an offshoot of a state-owned research institute.[14] Then known as Legend and distributing foreign IT products, co-founder Liu Chuanzhi incorporated[2] Legend in Hong Kong in an attempt to raise capital and was successfully permitted to build computers in China…

I remember it being a pretty big deal when IBM spun off thinkpads to Lenovo, and then again when they were caught installing malware in the EFI on some of the entry level models.

I've avoided them since despite them being the favored laptop of most corporate and Linux users.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by lawn »

rubzah wrote: post #426
coldpie wrote: post #386

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They do make one with a 4" display! I'm a small phone liker. After spending years on an iPhone 13 Mini and wishing it was a little smaller, I got a Motorola Razr Ultra last year and I've been very happy with it. It has a fully functional 4" external display, and unfolds into a full-size smartphone/phablet display for when you need it. I use the little external display probably 80% of the time, but it's handy to unfol…

Flip phone user for five years, will never get a slab again. It's weird to me more people don't use them, I guess they're expensive still.

If Motorola releases a flip phone with GrapheneOS I'll order it on day one. I wanted one the last time I upgraded but I wanted GrapheneOS and there's no flip Pixel (only a foldable).

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by liuliu »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #662
chpatrick wrote: post #655

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None of that sells phones.

It does to a certain audience: the people who care about privacy, security and freedom. I suspect that as time goes on our numbers will only increase.

As much as I wish, it is going the other way. Caring about the 3 requires literacy, which in the world of LLM, is one thing that going to be reduced as a whole for human-kind.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by drnick1 »

n8cpdx wrote: post #616
tenthirtyam wrote: post #558

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Umm, assuming you have the same opinion as grandparent comment, you don't want google tracking your payments but you'll happily trust google's pinky promise about your fingerprint being stored only on the phone?

I’m not commenting on the security/privacy. Only the convenience. And I find tap to pay extraordinarily convenient - a significant upgrade over the plastic card.

Strapping your card to your phone in one of those magnetic card wallets seems to achieve the same level of convenience, or close, and avoids all of the downsides of running a Googled system.

I personally find using a plastic card more convenient than fumbling for my phone and unlocking it (I don't use biometric unlocking as it's not protected by the 5th.) It's also easier to go somewhere without a phone (yes, it's possible) when you have a card on hand.

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