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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by g8oz »

dotancohen wrote: post #296
deaux wrote: post #291

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Lies. > In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that "In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas." He continued saying "Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to mo…

That looks like Israel made every effort to promote the welfare of Gazan citizens. From your own link "Gaza was on the brink of collapse" and Israel saved them.

Nonsense. They wanted to stabilize Hamas rule so that the Palestinian Authority would not be able to govern there. A unified Palestinian government in the West Bank and Gaza is what they were opposed to. They feared diplomatic success on the part of the Palestinian Authority more so than any violence from Hamas. A major oops, but ideologically consistent with the Zionist goal of keeping a foot on the neck of Palestinians. There's not much else to Israel aside from that.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by bakies »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #215
LastTrain wrote: post #79

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Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far. As he has told us countless times, he would like to be a dictator.

Yes, and if he actually becomes a dictator, I'd shed no tears for him being removed by force.

Doesn't have to go that far he can be removed by force now for all the illegal shit he's done

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by bjourne »

Almondsetat wrote: post #331
bjourne wrote: post #301

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That's the implication of "At some point you have to decide: if my country ..." since "you" can't refer to anyone other than the Iranians. They have not "decided" to get bombed by Zionists.

That is not the implication. Learn some english and good manners

Well then, explain yourself. Who the fuck are the ones making the decision to get their home country bombed?

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by sethev »

throwaway173738 wrote: post #655
dotancohen wrote: post #603

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Why would you assume that someone with decades of experience could not be an effective leader?

People lose cognition as they age.

And gain experience

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by HDThoreaun »

throw0101c wrote: post #525
TacticalCoder wrote: post #510

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>> Millions of muslims around the world viewed the Iranian theocracy as the only power in the world fighting for Islam. They are devastated. > They are devastated but they are were totally quiet on the unarmed thirty thousands+ protesters the islamist iranian regime killed in a matter of days a few weeks ago. One person's protestor is another's insurrectionist. See also the folks on January 6: (now-pardoned) patriots…

The US didn’t mass kill Jan 6ers.

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Post by wvlia5 »

dotancohen wrote: post #603
somenameforme wrote: post #566

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The most interesting thing to me is that he was apparently assassinated while working at his office. It's not like the US/Israeli actions were a secret, yet he seemingly made no effort to secure himself. It's hard not to see this as an intentional martyrdom. So it will be interesting to see whether his calculations were correct, or whether the US' were. The one thing I think must be true is that I can't imagine an 86…

Why would you assume that someone with decades of experience could not be an effective leader?

Because he would be senile.

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Post by baxtr »

inglor_cz wrote: post #557
baxtr wrote: post #311

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I am old enough. Iraq is not perfect today but so much better than it was. Go talk to Iraqis and see for yourself. It costs us some time, money and lives to get to this point. But Saddam (a tyrant who killed his own kind in masses with gas and started wars with neighbors) staying in power would have been way worse for the wider region.

Iraqi path to democracy isn't really that different from everyone else's. People tend to forget that various extant democracies, including European ones, mostly didn't precipitate out of thin air by everyone deciding to just be nice to one another. Many now-democratic countries had to fight a war of independence or a civil war, often with involvement of third parties, to get there. France took about 80 years of viole…

Exactly this.

But then people look at it after 5 years and say: but it didn’t work!!!

Not acknowledging that all things ever achieved in life by humans were achieved over time by constant trial and error and not giving up.

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Post by bjourne »

AlexeyBelov wrote: post #336
bjourne wrote: post #221

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I have ten times as many Iranian friends as you have. They are all against the bombings.

How do you know how many friends they have, to confidently state you have 10x?

I'm satirizing the dumb "all my friends think X"-argument. Honest intellectual debate requires that your claims are verifiable.

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Post by winterbloom »

nerdyadventurer wrote: post #625
TacticalCoder wrote: post #510

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> If people keep their mouth shut when a regime murders 30 000+ This is done by diaspora lead by US, they started destroying public resources first and created public unrest on top of falling Rial due to sanctions, this lead the govt take matters in to their hands. Cunning US indeed, always playing cheap tricks. US is a regime too, world largest one, with minions everywhere. They murdered around 1 million just in Ira…

Yeah but a good majority don't want Islam in Iran, Iran used to have a culture

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Post by sph »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #97
pavlov wrote: post #41

The killings of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi were so amazingly successful in stabilizing those countries that Americans keep repeating the pattern.

Not a killing, but capturing Noriega did in fact work out well. Panama of today is generally stable and rich (by Latam standards anyway).

This is prime cherry-picked propaganda bullshit. What about Augusto Pinochet, to name drop a counterexample? How did that work out for the Chilean people?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet#U.S._backing_...

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