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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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you're right, supply chain risk is not a negotiating tool. it's spite after talks have ended. it indicates a ruined relationship the oai deal is similar, but it includes technical safeguards. I think anthropic would have wanted the oai deal the deal was not only successful because the govt is rebounding. the miltary prefers boundaries to be technical, not contractual they can try using it, and trust that it will only…

> supply chain risk is not a negotiating tool. it's spite after talks have ended. No. It's unlawful abuse of power. > the miltary prefers boundaries to be technical, not contractual That's nice for the military. Meanwhile, Anthropic has the right to refuse the use of its IP without being subject to punishment by the government. You seem to me to be irretrievably "deal-brained", and not at all concerned about the obvi…

I am comparing the oai and anthropic deals. most of your comment isn't on that topic

if you believe the government acts in bad faith and is untrustworthy, why trust them to not violate the terms of a contract?

technical safeguards are more secure. the oai deal seems better

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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The president changed it back to its original name with an executive order. The administration did not just start spontaneously using it.

The president has no authority to do this. Federal departments and agencies are named by Congress, and even the Republicans in Congress have shown no interest in formalizing this.

The president can't change the law itself, but he can change the name they use.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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> theyre food delivery robots, thats not a gun that a drink dispenser!" You underestimate how many top AI scientists are perfectly okay with building autonomous weapons systems and are not ashamed of it. Me, and 99% of HN readers, will gladly pull the trigger to release a missile from a drone if we are paid even just US$1,000,000/year. Now note that many L7+ at OpenAI are making $10 million+ per year.

> Me, and 99% of HN readers, will gladly pull the trigger to release a missile from a drone if we are paid even just US$1,000,000/year. I will respond with a personal, related story. I was living in Hongkong when "democracy fell" in the late 2010s / early 2020s. It was depressing, and I wanted to leave. (I did later.) I was trying to explain to my parents (and relatives) why most highly skilled foreign workers just d…

Agreed, but I think it goes far beyond warfare. The biggest "plot hole" in much scifi (IMO) is the lack of explanation for why all the depicted systems aren't autonomous. Most worldbuilding seems rather lazy to me, a haphazard mishmash of things that imply AGI and things that would only ever exist in a pre-ChatGPT world.

One of the few works that at least attempts to get this right is the Culture series where it's remarked on several different occasions that anything over some threshold of computing power has AGI built into it (but don't worry you're totally free, just ignore the hall monitor in all of your devices).

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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True that - everybody has a price.

I mean this is not actually true and the statement justifies and vindicates those that do sell out by saying of course anyone would. There are countless marytr for religion, politics, and other things. A better way is to say you can always find a cheap sellout at least than the morally dammed cannot claim equality of belief

> There are countless marytr for religion, politics, and other things.

I think those are not really comparable to OpenAI employees who leave, but that only underlines your point more:

Leaving OpenAI is not like death. In fact most of the employees will have an easy time finding a new job, given the resume of having worked at OpenAI. It is nowhere near any actual martyr.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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The world needs a nuclear war to just eliminate 99% of human life and just start over.

And all the survivors die from radiation? This must be a joke

Theres 8 billion people. Some will survive statistically. Not many but some.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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The difference is that Anthropic wanted to reserve the right to judge when the red lines are crossed, while OpenAI will defer to the DoD and its policies for that. In both cases, the two parties can claim to agree on the principles, but when push comes to shove, who decides on whether the principles are violated differs.

Seems Anthropic did not understand the questions they were asked. From the WaPo: >A defense official said the Pentagon’s technology chief whittled the debate down to a life-and-death nuclear scenario at a meeting last month: If an intercontinental ballistic missile was launched at the United States, could the military use Anthropic’s Claude AI system to help shoot it down? >It’s the kind of situation where technologi…

Why the fuck would you use an LLM to determine whether a nuclear missile was hurtling towards you? The question makes no sense, and so you get a nonsensical answer.

Seems not unlikely that Anthropic was manipulated into this position for purposes of invalidating their contract.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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I bet Sam secretly pledged to DoD that the red lines were only temporary, for optics and to calm employees at the all hands meeting. A few months down the line, OpenAI will quietly decide that their next model is safe enough for autonomous weapons, and remove their safeguard layer. The mass surveillance enablement might be an indirect deal through Palantir.

The fact they were able to strike a deal in the first place hours after Anthropic was declared a supply chain risk should make this obvious. Their employees are smart people, the only way they can reason past this is their compensation.

Apparently Sam was secretly negotiating with DoD since Wednesday. While publicly proclaiming solidarity with Anthropic. Just vile, and expected.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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I mean this is not actually true and the statement justifies and vindicates those that do sell out by saying of course anyone would. There are countless marytr for religion, politics, and other things. A better way is to say you can always find a cheap sellout at least than the morally dammed cannot claim equality of belief

You mean like all of the religious leaders who are actively supporting a defending a three time married adulterer? You’ll have to excuse my skepticism of the morality of “the moral majority”.

Not claiming all religious people everywhere are some moral majority? Simply that people die for there beliefs and don't sellout. It happens in religion, politics etc. Also it's some super faulty logic to say look those prominent religious people support trump so all religous people support him is stupid. If that were the case Trump would win every election by massive margins. Trump might win 60/40 in rural areas the 40% he is losing is still very religous generally speaking because rural populations are religious. Cambridge MA voted for Biden by like 96% they have more than 4% of there populations that is also religious.

Also your point is kind of self defeating Trump's true believers dont sell Trump out no matter what he does. He could hide and suppress a pedophile conspiracy and his believers will still say he is tough on crime.

Selling out is bad I think people should passionate stand and be consistent in what they believe and do anything less shouldn't be celebrated or excused because its hard

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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OpenAI employees put knives on their own necks to demand Altman to get back and be their boss [1], not too long ago, right? Altman wiggles his tongues and makes them a solid paycheck. "We will not be divided," unless the water boils slow enough. Wait for a few months, he will renegotiate the terms with DoD, just like his move to turn OpenAI into a for-profit. [1]: https://www.wired.com/story/openai-staff-walk-protest…

i don’t get it. what’s his motive in your view? he literally has no shares in openai.

Maybe he just wants power? Some people are just evil and don't need greed to fuel their evil ways.
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