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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#661

I am not a fan of Anthropic guys, but this time I stand with it. We all should.

Anthropic's public statement declared their intent -- and in fact desire -- to allow their use of technology against me, as I'm not a US citizen.

Why should I stand with them? They only believe US citizens have democratic rights.

I'm sure Anthropic's hands are tied in so many ways, but that's no concern of mine.

I'll get by with GLM-5 and running Qwen locally.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#662
post #16

"We hope our leaders will..." I realize things are moving quickly, and the stakes are high here, but thinking about what happens if the hopes are not met might be a next step.

Mankind is doing what it does best at scale: sprinting mindlessly into problematic scenarios because the species is fragmented and has arbitrarily established concepts of groups defined by region, race, ideology, etc. As a species, this is just natural selection.

Sure. It’s just that sprinting is dictated by money.

Money rules region, race, ideology, etc.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#663

The bravery of the people signing this anonymously is inspiring.

What's uninspiring is your ignorance of game theory.

Anyone who puts their name on that list might potentially be a target. On the flip side, there is no signaling value in putting your name on the list anonymously. Therefore anonymous names on the list believe in it (tho some people might make the calculation that they can't handle being a target but they might still resist and obstruct in other ways.)

So: It's inspiring that a lot of people are ready to obstruct or delay even if they're not ready to deal with personal consequences.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#664
This should be flagged political like literally everything else that has been flagged ironic how when your on the menu you dont follow the same protocols applied everyone else too.

I only say this because this is not new behavior for the administration its been reported here on HN and in less biased and political ways but ends up suppressed just confused what changed?

Edit just to be clear this shouldn't be flagged and posts they deal with rights in the past shouldn't have been flagged because rights should be the preeminent concern of anyone in tech

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#665
I think the time when engineers could steer the heading of the companies they work for is long gone, sadly.

It’s too little too late. Don’t be evil is not a value anyone is even pretending to uphold.

I’d rather someone of these very smart people start to develop countermeasures.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#666

The bravery of the people signing this anonymously is inspiring.

What's uninspiring is your ignorance of game theory. Anyone who puts their name on that list might potentially be a target. On the flip side, there is no signaling value in putting your name on the list anonymously. Therefore anonymous names on the list believe in it (tho some people might make the calculation that they can't handle being a target but they might still resist and obstruct in other ways.) So: It's insp…

> Anyone who puts their name on that list might potentially be a target.

My first inclination is to read letters like this as a threat from employees to the employer. It says hey boss-men, this shite is not on. Signing anonymously undermines that message. I tend to read those signatures as as, I don't like this but it's not worth my job. I have no faith in the efficacy or even existence of "obstruct or delay" tactics from folks like that.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#667
post #586
post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah the passivity of the US population will be remembered for generations. Of course it's the people talking about freedom the most that do the least, as usual, big mouths are antithetical to actions.

Okay, if you have big actions to show off, then show us how it’s done. You step up and start shooting at the heartless monsters running the first (US armed forces) and second (ICE) most well-funded militaries in the world. Go ahead. We’ll be right there behind you. (Yeah, I’m burning some hn karma for this, I imagine.)

It's just weird that whenever a shooting happens anywhere else in the world, or they pass some draconian surveillance law, Americans criticize that country for not having a Second Amendment and rising up in violence against their government.

And that whenever a mass shooting happens in the US, Americans reassure themselves that gun violence is a price worth paying for the Second Amendment. And there is a run on pawn shops and gun stores because mass shootings are the best form of advertising America's billion dollar gun lobby has.

And that Americans will wax poetic about watering the Tree of Liberty with the Blood of Tyrants and Patriots any time gun control comes up, because they believe their Second Amendment is an absolute vouchsafe against tyranny and because of that, they and they alone are the only truly free country.

And they were willing to rise up in Portland.

And they were willing to rise up during COVID.

And they were willing to rise up on Jan 6th.

And they're willing to shoot up schools and black churches and gay nightclubs and mosques so often it no longer makes the news.

But now, with blatant and undeniable tyranny in their face and shooting them dead in the streets... nothing.

Not that violence would necessarily be productive (although historically speaking no social or political progress happens without it)... but it's weird that the most violent society in human history, born of genocide and bathed in blood, with more guns than people and gun violence enshrined as its second most important and fundamental virtue, the land of "give me liberty or give me death" is all of a sudden the most timid.

Like goddamn throw a Molotov cocktail or something.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#668
post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for giving an example of what I’m talking about. You’re there fantasising about armed conflict when there are a million different actions one can take. But nope, only words, words and more words.

It's part of the dismal/pathetic form of American exceptionalism that's taken root in the last decade. "We mustn't consider dealing with problem x because it wasn't considered important by our founding fathers" "China are catching up, so we need to cower behind a tariff wall rather than risk losing an open competition" "Other countries with similar legal systems have successfully reformed their supreme courts, but th…

None of this is entirely new. Americans have always fetishised their constitution or founding fathers. While there has been an era of free trade, that is over, and I think the west in general is in a difficult position (ultimately as a result of believing the "end of history" BS).

As for getting shot, while the chance of getting shot in the US for opposing the government is much higher than in similar circumstances in somewhere like the UK (which is far from perfect - but rarely actually shoots people), its also much, much lower than in Iran or China or Saudi Arabia.

Pushing back against the US government is a lot safer than taking part in something like the 2022 protests that ousted the Sri Lankan government, and lots of normally apolitical people took part in that (which was why it succeeded).

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#669

The best way for AI companies to fight this would be to remind those who request this capability that the AI knows exactly where they live, where they hang out, and that any one of them can also be targeted by a rogue AI system with no human in the loop. Capabilities that they are requesting could jeopardize them, their personal assets, and their families if something goes haywire or, in the much more common case, wh…

Instead of Epsteins blackmailing disgustful human nature, it'll be rogue AIs sending selective blackmail, 24/7, to the spiteful among us (e.g. to motivate targeted killings, either by human or machine). >All of this should remain a bridge too far, forever. Hopefully Singularity will be graceful, killing-off everybody simultaneously #PaperclipMaximizer #HimFirst

It's so weird how Epstein manages to pop up in basically all US discourse, even a conversation about AI use in the military.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#670
post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re just restating the implication of the rule, but the rule is as I stated. That’s the point of having such a rule.

As you said: focus on what it does . What it does is prevent companies that Anthropic needs to do business with from doing business with Anthropic.

> What it does is prevent companies that Anthropic needs to do business with from doing business with Anthropic.

If Anthropic “needs” the government to not have this rule, then perhaps they had a losing hand, and they overplayed it.

I don’t agree with you and think you’re being melodramatic, but if you are right, that’s my response.

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