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Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by Traster »

lumost wrote: post #398

Personal agents disrupt OpenAI’s revenue plan. They had been planning to put ads in ChatGPT to make revenue. If users rapidly move to personal agents which are more resistant to ads, running on a blend of multiple models/compute providers - then they won’t be able to deliver their revenue promises.

Firstly, OpenAI has lacked focus so they're pursuing lots of different paths despite the obvious one (ads in chatgpt), like hiring Johnny Ive - a move that feels more WeWork than anything.

But secondly, personal agents can be great for OpenAI, if the user isn't even interacting with the AI and is just letting it go off autonously then you're basically handing your wallet to the AI, and if the model underlying that agent is OpenAI, you're handing your wallet to them.

Imagine for a second that a load of stuff is now being done through personal agents, and suddenly OpenAI release an API where vendors can integrate directly with the OpenAI agent. If OpenAI control that API and control how people integrate with it, there's a potential there that OpenAI could become the AppStore for AI, capturing a slice of every penny spent through agents. There's massive upside to this possibility.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by alansaber »

Traster wrote: post #650
mmaunder wrote: post #491

Good move. OpenClaw is alpha quality, very dangerous, super useful and super fun - which amplifies the danger. It’s a disaster waiting to happen and a massive risk for a solo dev to take on. So best to trade it for a killer job offer and transfer all that risk. To get a sense of what this guy was going through listen to the first 30 mins of Lex’s recent interview with him. The cybersquatting and token/crypto bullshit…

It really is quite funny though isn't it. Yes, it's a fucking hand grenade that will blow up at any moment. It's perfect for a one man band startup. Because there's massive upside and at the end of the day if it blows up he's just back to sqaure one, what did you expect from a 1 man band. But wait. Here he comes. Hero of the hour. Sam Altman. Let's take that wildly dangerous, lightly thought through product, and give…

You definitely have a point there.

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Post by ifwinterco »

piker wrote: post #3

Did this guy just exit the first one man billion-dollar startup for... less than a billion?

We're at the point in the cycle where if someone offers you decent money you take it.

It might run on for a while longer but you don't want to be that guy who had a £100m net worth in 1999 but failed to monetise any of it and ended up with nothing

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by huge_rank_rat »

This is the same "heating" effect as social media algorithms apply to random podcasters (e.g. Joe Rogan) - those isolated cases of success which happen to be completely synthetic provide an 'american dream' for the system, whose success depends on the Fantasy being alive and believed in by those who are its customers/product

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by WA »

wiether wrote: post #542

That's a brilliant move from OpenAI. In the past, people wanting to sign a juicy contract at a FAANG were told to spend hours everyday on Leetcode. Now? Just spend tokens until you build something that get enough traction to be seen by one of the big labs!

Just … to gain lots of traction.

Gaining traction is the tough part.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by philipallstar »

throw444420394 wrote: post #611
tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

What sense it made to do something like Instagram? There were already N social networks where you could share photos. No technical excellence was needed. It was just momentum, being in the right incubator, and so forth... I understand what you are saying, but it has been always like that.

Well - no. There are some products where the product itself was relatively simple to build, and the rest was product-market fit. Those are the easy ones technically, but that's not the only type of successful product. YouTube wouldn't be working today if it broke all the time under load.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by philipallstar »

ryanmcgarvey wrote: post #384
Aurornis wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can switch models multiple times (online/proprietary, open weight, local), but you have one UI : OpenClaw. It’s only been a couple months. I guarantee people will be switching apps as others become the new hot thing. We saw the same claims when Cursor was popular. Same claims when Claude Code was the current topic. Users are changing their app layer all the time and trying new things.

Memory. I have built up so many scripts and crons and integrated little programs and memories with open claw it would be difficult to migrate to some other system. System of record and all.

This effect isn't that important while the customer base is growing fast.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by [deleted] »

tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

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Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by cgfjtynzdrfht »

tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

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Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by pwython »

yobbo wrote: post #602
erikbye wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny to me how still so many don't realize you don't get hired for the best positions for being a 10x programmer who excels at hackerrank, you get hired for your proven ability to deliver useful products. Creativity, drive, vision, whatever. Code is a means to an end. If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions a…

He's not hired to code. He has taste for "what works" in these types of things. They want him to apply that taste - maybe making new services or fixing old.

See: Rick Rubin.

"Rick Rubin says he barely plays any instruments and has no technical ability. He just knows what he likes and dislikes and is decisive about it."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rick-rubin-anderson-cooper-60-m...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rubin_production_discogra...

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