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The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by samrus »

Funes- wrote: post #158
jjcm wrote: post #64

Here's the actual statement from the European Comission: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_... It's important to note they aren't creating laws against infinite scrolling , but are ruling against addictive design and pointing to infinite scrolling as an example of it. The wording here is fascinating, mainly because they're effectively acting as arbiters of "vibes". They point to certain feat…

>"well what specific laws would I write to combat addictive design?" Hear me out: banning advertising on the Internet. It's the only way. It's the primordial domino tile. You knock that one over, every other tile follows suit. It's the mother of chain reactions. There would be no social media, no Internet as we know it. Imagine having TikTok, YouTube or X trying to survive on subscriptions alone in their current iter…

Positively luddian proposal. I kinda like it

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by samrus »

andsoitis wrote: post #473
NeutralCrane wrote: post #440

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Can you think of a singe freedom you enjoy that isn’t in one way or another supported by some form of regulation?

> Can you think of a singe freedom you enjoy that isn’t in one way or another supported by some form of regulation? Regulations can protect freedoms, but they don’t create them. Freedom is inherent. Regulations protect.

And when freedoms are being infringed, regulations need to be brought in. Hence banning ads online

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by samrus »

lobf wrote: post #285
coldtea wrote: post #250

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Have we come to such a low cultural point that ads are seen as some kind of basic human right? Fuck ads. What's absurd is tolerating them and the damage they do to media, consumers, kids, lesser and/or more honest businesses, culture, products, and so on all the way to the Windows and macOS system UIs.

I work in ads... :-/

I used to be an elevator operator ... :-/

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by fsflover »

Funes- wrote: post #158
jjcm wrote: post #64

Here's the actual statement from the European Comission: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_... It's important to note they aren't creating laws against infinite scrolling , but are ruling against addictive design and pointing to infinite scrolling as an example of it. The wording here is fascinating, mainly because they're effectively acting as arbiters of "vibes". They point to certain feat…

>"well what specific laws would I write to combat addictive design?" Hear me out: banning advertising on the Internet. It's the only way. It's the primordial domino tile. You knock that one over, every other tile follows suit. It's the mother of chain reactions. There would be no social media, no Internet as we know it. Imagine having TikTok, YouTube or X trying to survive on subscriptions alone in their current iter…

> banning advertising on the Internet

This. Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43595269

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by samrus »

noosphr wrote: post #399
Funes- wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"well what specific laws would I write to combat addictive design?" Hear me out: banning advertising on the Internet. It's the only way. It's the primordial domino tile. You knock that one over, every other tile follows suit. It's the mother of chain reactions. There would be no social media, no Internet as we know it. Imagine having TikTok, YouTube or X trying to survive on subscriptions alone in their current iter…

There has never been a mass information medium to survive on subscriptions. This includes everything since news papers in the 18th century.

I think modern social media sites dump too much useless information on users. We can do with less

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by samrus »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #150
jjcm wrote: post #64

Here's the actual statement from the European Comission: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_... It's important to note they aren't creating laws against infinite scrolling , but are ruling against addictive design and pointing to infinite scrolling as an example of it. The wording here is fascinating, mainly because they're effectively acting as arbiters of "vibes". They point to certain feat…

Life is complex and beautiful and trying to regulate every possible outcome beforehand just makes it boring and depressing.

Yeah. I would have liked to have fun with all that asbestos in my walls

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by samrus »

deaux wrote: post #522
jameson wrote: post #490

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As a person working at social media I support this as well. I'm a hypocrite. I admit, but the pay is too good to find alternative. Terms like "DAU" or "engagement" is common in our field and the primary objective is how to make users spend more time on our platform. We don't take safety or mental health seriously internally but only externally for PR reasons. CEOs won't change that because the more time user spends o…

> . I'm a hypocrite. I admit Great, admission is the first step. > but the pay is too good to find alternative. Yet then you immediately undo it! Try "I'm too greedy". You're the actor with the free will here. The subject of the sentencd shouldn't be "the pay". That is just an amount, a sum, that exists - neither too high nor too low. That is all in the eye of the beholder.

Give them a break. People want to live a good life. We as a society shouldnt incentivize bad behavior with capital

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by HappySweeney »

alpaca128 wrote: post #590
brabel wrote: post #551

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What are you trying to say, that it's impossible to define anything legally without edge cases?? That's bullocks. > If I pay someone to print flyers is that advertising? What the hell, we're talking about internet... you can't put printed flyers on the internet. > If I pay squarespace for my site, is that advertising? No. It's your site, not a third-party site promoting your site! > What if I need a Google maps subsc…

>> And all existing videos with sponsorship need yo be removed? > Yes, or re-uploaded without the sponsor segment I hope not. For one that would hit retroactively, but also it would cause a huge loss of valuable content from platforms like YouTube as countless videos with sponsor segments are actually interesting and simply too much to reupload, if the uploader is even active still.

Agreed. I believe it's well within Google's ability to auto-edit the sponsored segments out within an acceptable error margin.
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