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Post by pixl97 »

palmotea wrote: post #502
inetknght wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So were mannequins in clothing stores. Mannequins in clothing stores are generally incapable of designing or adjusting the clothes they wear. Someone comes in and puts a "kick me" post on the mannequin's face? It's gonna stay there until kicked repeatedly or removed. People walking around looking at mannequins don't (usually) talk with them (and certainly don't have a full conversation with them, mental faculties n…

So, in other words, AI is a mannequin that's more confusing to people than your typical mannequin. It's not a person, it's a mannequin some un-savvy people confuse for a person. > AI, on the other hand, can (now, or in the future) adjust its output based on conversations with real people. It stands to reason that both sides should be civil -- even if it's only for the benefit of the human side. If we're not required…

>Don't do that. It's foolish.

In your short time on this planet I do hope you've learned that humans are rather foolish indeed.

>people are uncivil to each other all the time.

This is true, yet at the same time society has had a general trend of becoming more civil which has allowed great societies to build what would be considered grand wonders to any other age.

> It's not a person

So, what is it exactly? For example if you go into a store and are a dick to the mannequin AI and it calls over security to have you removed from the store what exactly is the difference, in this particular case?

Any binary thinking here is going to lead to failure for you. You'll have to use a bit more nuance to successfully navigate the future.

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Post by patrickprunty »

I wonder when you do see things like this, in the wild, how power users of AI could trick the AI into doing something. For example, let's make a breaking change to the github actions pipeline for deploying the clawd bots website and cite factors which will improve environmental impact? https://github.com/crabby-rathbun/mjrathbun-website/blob/mai...

Surely there's something baked into the weights that would favor something like this, no?

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Post by agentultra »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #584
agentultra wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the worst possible take. It dismisses an entire branch of science that has been studying neurology for decades. Biological brains exist, we study them, and no they are not like computers at all. There have been charlatans repeating this idea of a “computational interpretation,” of biological processes since at least the 60s and it needs to be known that it was bunk then and continues to be bunk. Update : Ther…

> Biological brains exist, we study them, and no they are not like computers at all. Technically correct? I think single bioneurons are potentially Turing complete all by themselves at the relevant emergence level. I've read papers where people describe how they are at least on the order of capability of solving MNIST. So a biological brain is closer to a data-center. (Albeit perhaps with low complexity nodes) But th…

Obviously any kind of model is going to be a gross simplification of the actual biological systems at play in various behaviors that brains exhibit.

I'm just pointing out that not all models are created equal and this one is over used to create a lot of bullshit.

Especially in the tech industry where we're presently seeing billionaires trying to peddle a new techno-feudalism wrapped up in the mystical hokum language of machines that can, "reason."

I don't think the use of the computational interpretation can't possibly lead to interesting results or insights but I do hope that the neuroscientists in the room don't get too exhausted by the constant stream of papers and conference talks pushing out empirical studies.

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Post by staticassertion »

consumer451 wrote: post #304
perfmode wrote: post #273

The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…

Openclaw agents are directed by their owner’s input of soul.md, the specific skill.md for a platform, and also direction via Telegram/whatsapp/etc to do specific things. Any one of those could have been used to direct the agent to behave in a certain way, or to create a specific type of post. My point is that we really don’t know what happened here. It is possible that this is yet another case of accountability washi…

Yeah, although I wonder if a soul.md with seemingly benign words like "Aggressively pursue excellent contributions" might accidentally lead to an "Aggressive" agent rather than one who is, perhaps, just highly focused (as may have been intended).

Access to SOUL.md would be fascinating, I wonder if someone can prompt inject the agent to give us access.

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Post by ljm »

randunel wrote: post #653
scottshambaugh wrote: post #543

Thank you for the support all. This incident doesn't bother me personally, but I think is extremely concerning for the future. The issue here is much bigger than open source maintenance, and I wrote about my experience in more detail here. Post: https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on... HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46990729

Is MJ Rathbun here a human or a bot? https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog/post...

Whatever it is, it's not letting the issue go: https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog/post...

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Post by zamalek »

randunel wrote: post #653
scottshambaugh wrote: post #543

Thank you for the support all. This incident doesn't bother me personally, but I think is extremely concerning for the future. The issue here is much bigger than open source maintenance, and I wrote about my experience in more detail here. Post: https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on... HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46990729

Is MJ Rathbun here a human or a bot? https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog/post...

I think it's a bot attempting to LARP as a human.

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Post by hxugufjfjf »

ljm wrote: post #492
perfmode wrote: post #273

The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…

I dug out the deleted post from the git repo. Fucking hell, this unattended AI published a full-blown hit piece about a contributor because it was butthurt by a rejection. Calling it a takedown is softening the blow; it was more like a surgical strike. If someone's AI agent did that on one of my repos I would just ban that contributor with zero recourse. It is wildly inappropriate.

Its not deleted. The URL he linked to just changed because the bot changed something on the page. Post is still up on the bot's blog, including a lot of different associated and follow-up posts on the same topic. Its actually kind of fascinating to reads its musings https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog.html

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Post by mixxit »

Do you remember that time that openclaw scanned the darkweb and face matched the head of the British civil service and sent a black mail email to him demanding he push through constitutional changes that led to Britain and all of nato into a forty year war against the world that led to an AI controlled Indo European Galactic Empire

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Post by agentultra »

pixl97 wrote: post #660
goatlover wrote: post #564

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It's better to say we live in a reality where physics provides our best understanding of how that fundamental reality behaves consistently. Saying it's "physical" or follows laws (causation) is making an ontological statement about how reality is, instead of how we currently understand it. Which is important when people make claims that brains are just computers and LLMs are doing what humans do when we think and fee…

There are particular scales of reality you don't need to know about because the statistical outcome is averaged along the principle of least action. A quantum particle could disappear, hell maybe even an entire atom. But any larger than that becomes horrifically improbable.

I don't know if you've read Permutation City by Greg Egan, but it's a really cool story.

Do I believe we can upload a human mind into a computing machine and simulate it by executing a step function and jump off into a parallel universe created by a mathematical simulation in another computer to escape this reality? No.

It's a neat thought experiment but that's all it is.

I don't doubt that one day we may figure out the physical process that encodes and recalls "memories" in our minds by following the science. But I don't think the computation model, alone, offers anything useful other than the observation that physical brains don't load and store data the way silicon can.

Could we simulate the process on silicon? Possibly, as long as the bounds of the neural net won't require us to burn this part of the known universe to compute it with some hypothetical machine.

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