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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by k12sosse »

alistairSH wrote: post #218
redeeman wrote: post #167

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of course your ridgeline has other ways to hurt you :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWyjfbS7MMA

Funny because it's true. It's the most boring and practical vehicle I've ever owned. But, it does everything, so I'm having a hard time convincing my wife I need a Ranger Raptor or (used) AMG GLE.

Don't forget it only drinks premium fuel. The #1 reason to avoid the raptor, otherwise it's very fun.

Test drive the tremor Lariat. Sure it's not the 3.0L but it costs a third to operate for a year, and you still go too fast in sport mode.

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Post by ImprovedSilence »

kalenx wrote: post #620
nospice wrote: post #590

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I think there's basically one 4x4 van on the market in the US right now. So you're making a pretty bad generalization here. In the Bay Area, it's probably true that a van would work well, although I lived in a mixed-income neighborhood and all the construction guys had beater pickups. But if you live in a place with snow and unpaved residential roads, 4x4 is pretty much a must (and pickups can be also be used for plo…

Since when? I sincerely do not understand that point about snow. I've lived in Canada (not southern Ontario) for most of my life and everyone had (and still mostly has) FWD. 4x4 was only for people actually going off road... I don't get how this is now a "must".

it's a perceived must. when running "all season" tires year round the AWD inspires more confidence, and most people don't even know winter tires are a thing. Plus 4x4 only helps you start moving, but once you are, every car still only has 2 wheels to turn and 4 to stop, which are quite possibly more crucial in snow....

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by k12sosse »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #150
tracker1 wrote: post #2

At the size of Ford, sales numbers can be at a different mark for what is considered successful than others. Not to mention dealer gamesmanship fudges real sales numbers. As to the Cybertruck it's both interesting and kind of ugly... repairability is another concern/issue as is pure cost... I'm far more interested in the Slate[1] myself. It's probably closer to what a lot of consumers would want in an electric truck.…

I see the slate as the successor of the now extinct (in Can + US) mini-truck. 90s trucks like the small Toyota Truck, old Ford Ranger, Nissan hardbody, etc. The kind of trucks that landscapers are still using, that are beat to shit, and have three features, cheap, load carrying, reliable by way of simplicity.

Get a vintage pickup off Autotrader for low 5 figures and put the Edison electric conversion kit on it. It will absolutely melt faces and hearts.

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Post by tshaddox »

ubertaco wrote: post #235
biophysboy wrote: post #224

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> Ford seemed to understand this and attempted a direct sale program for EVs, but they canceled it due to dealer pushback. Why didn't they just do it anyways? Dealerships seem like a pointless middleman, but I know absolutely nothing about what leverage they have. Self-driving cars can not come fast enough

Because dealerships are the automakers' real customers, at least right now. You don't buy a vehicle from Ford; your local Ford dealership buys a large number of vehicles from Ford, and then you buy one of those. Yes, an argument could be made that eliminating the dealership keeps the same customer base while eliminating the middleman (see also: Carvana), but now you have a lot more cost and logistics (shipping indivi…

Or the manufacturers just run what look exactly like traditional dealerships, just without the stupid crap that no customers want. It can’t be that hard or expensive. It’s a parking lot and a small office building.

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Post by sedawkgrep »

JPKab wrote: post #575
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People were absolutely giving attitude towards people in Teslas in general, and Cybertrucks in particular, around the peak of all the DOGE nonsense. Still are, for Cybertrucks

Nonsense? Yeah, you're right, the US Federal government is a peak engine of efficiency and it's nonsense to think massive sums of money are wasted.

Nonsense in how they approached things. Clinton-era we had govt. cut backs all over the place. It was done according to a plan and according to the law.

This was just a hatchet job, aimed and cutting and gutting any and every agency they thought they could get away with.

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Post by CitrusFruits »

mcny wrote: post #639
mc3301 wrote: post #615

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That new Slate pickup looks pretty cool.

I have never owned a truck or a new car and I might buy one if they can truly keep the slate under 20knincluding delivery and all taxes and fees.

IIRC the 20k number depended on the 7k federal rebate that recently expired, so it will probably be more like 27k

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Post by knodi »

grouchomarx wrote: post #20
billti wrote: post #13

I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics hurt it quite a bit. It is such a distinctive vehicle with a strong association with Elon, that there was an immediate brand association. It may have had poor sales anyway, but it certainly didn't help that many folks on the left, who are typically the most 'pro EV', had a large 'anti-Elon' shift…

>I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics That and also it's just a bad product. >That said, even though it's not to my taste, I do admire that they dared to do something different and took a big gamble on it. A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one edit: agree there's a market…

But Cybertruck has better vibes. /s

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

brk wrote: post #647
plorg wrote: post #623

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My pitch to the people near me who have no connection to the auto industry is that an electric Ranger (90's style) would have been a huge hit. I get the feeling that the Lightning came about because Ford managers don't really know how to make vehicles that regular people want.

Funny thing is that Ford made an electric 90’s Ranger. Sold only in Mexico IIRC. Internally it was referred to as the Ranger Glider.

They were sold in California as well.

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Post by DANmode »

seiferteric wrote: post #14
4d4m wrote: post #12

Why was it so ugly? The front lightbars execution looked cheap and toy-like. Expecting awesome designs for future Ford electric trucks lets go!

Similar complaint for the chevy silverado, why can't they just make it look just like the regular silverado?

because they want to avoid selling these things as long as possible!

Same reason they shot the Volt in the back before it even hit the production floor.

They want you to get made fun of by your foreman for driving it,

so they sell very few,

and they can shrug at the government, or whoever, and say “See? Toldja nobody wants any.”

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