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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by timeinput »

samgranieri wrote: post #589
throwaway613745 wrote: post #300

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I have used Firefox as my default browser through thick and thin for damn near two decades. If Mozilla killed andblocking extensions I’d switch to Helium Browser in a heartbeat since they’re maintaining manifest v2 support for uBO and even ship it OOTB. The web is unusable without a proper Adblock.

have you tried using pi-hole or adblock plus running on a raspberry pi on your network? whenever i'm off my home wifi network, i have wireguard configured to connect home and get me that ad blocking. it's so nice. yes, i prefer to use brave for personal stuff and i use edge for work stuff (reasons,,, don't ask)

It's definitely better than nothing, and greatly improves things, but UBO is better. Try watching a youtube video in a browser with UBO, and the android app on a network with pi-hole, etc.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

JoeJonathan wrote: post #226
nialv7 wrote: post #81

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The interpretation is not the problem. Whether he will do it, is actually secondary to the fact that he thinks cutting adblock can bringing in money. No, it will just kill the browser. The fact he thinks otherwise tells me how out of touch he is.

Like many others, the ability to run uBO is the main reason I use Firefox. Otherwise I'd use Chrome or Safari.

do you have stats on how many others that is? Because I run FF and I don't run uBO, so.. I mean I understand the feeling based on one's own situation that it would kill the browser but just like Pauline Kael thinking nobody voted for Nixon so how could he win the fact that you think it would kill the browser does not mean that they are out of touch for saying they won't do it despite it bringing in money.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by swiftcoder »

array_key_first wrote: post #628
rsync wrote: post #622

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… which is a positive, right?

Maybe, maybe not. It's getting dangerously close to the modern day IE, where some websites just don't work right and everyone has to do arcane shit to make their websites cross platform. It's also a closed source browser developed by Apple. It's not competing with Firefox. Everyone contemplating switching to safari over Firefox are not being honest - they're not even on the same playing field.

> It's getting dangerously close to the modern day I.E.

This line gets thrown around a lot, but if you look at the supported features, Safari is honestly pretty up-to-date on the actual ratified web standards.

What it doesn't tend to do is implement a bunch of the (often ad-tech focused) drafts Google keeps trying to push through the standards committee

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by J_Shelby_J »

p-e-w wrote: post #128
nialv7 wrote: post #81

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The interpretation is not the problem. Whether he will do it, is actually secondary to the fact that he thinks cutting adblock can bringing in money. No, it will just kill the browser. The fact he thinks otherwise tells me how out of touch he is.

Firefox has a market share around 3%. Even most technologists stopped using it long ago. Many banks and government websites don’t even support it anymore and loudly tell people to use Chrome instead, especially in developing countries. Nothing can kill Firefox, because it’s already dead for all practical purposes.

> Even most technologists stopped using it long ago.

Funny, because chrome has always been the browser for laptops users, while Firefox has always been the browser of power users.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by EbNar »

broken-kebab wrote: post #630
eqvinox wrote: post #566

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The crypto bullshit Brave was (and somehow still is) pulling is way worse than Firefox's enshittificAItion.

Not really. You can use Brave completely ignoring crypto side, and it won't complain.

the crypto stuff is completely opt-in.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by cons0le »

drfolgers wrote: post #629
9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #353

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> The web is unusable without a proper Adblock. It's a privacy nightmare as well. Few people reason how much data they give away to a host of shady companies just by letting ads display.

Ads and page level analytics aren’t the only thing gathering data. There is server-side now (and previously) hosted by the site owner. It’s a lost cause to fight this. I admire you all for using FF because uBO just for the experience, but it’s only a partial data block. Serverside and thumbprinting- you can’t be anonymous even with Tor, VPN, etc.

uBo + tamper monkey is needed just to block popups. Adblock on brave is basically non existent compared to uBO

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by QuiEgo »

I feel like some day, YouTube and all video streaming are likely to move to apps and just drop browser support (replace with redirect to app). It feels like the logical conclusion of the ad blocking arms race. This is just one step forward down that road.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by [deleted] »

eloisant wrote: post #573
unglaublich wrote: post #524

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Who selects these CEOs? It almost seems like a caste system at this point. You can be a complete clown, but it's the best we have in our small caste so you're the one.

They're selected by the board. Meaning they select each other, because they're all on each other's board.

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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by ggm »

I think the sentiment of the headline statement is off. What you expect a CEO to say is "OBVIOUSLY the one thing which is completely off the table, because of it's lack of alignment with our mission and vision..."

Instead of which he inverts it "we'd get like $150m if we did this thing we won't do because well.. we haven't decided to." with the implicit "... yet"

And I agree with comments below: he discounts risk side loss of income because of people walking away.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Post by [deleted] »

sltkr wrote: post #619
arjie wrote: post #540

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I think the correct formulation is: "There are political views that the CEO of Mozilla could hold which would be sufficient for me to abandon the use of products that Mozilla makes". And I think that would be non-controversial for most people.

The problem with that formulation is that it denies the importance of the quantative aspect of the difference of opinion. Of course there are views so extreme almost nobody would put up with them. But at the same time, being tolerant of differences of opinion is an important aspect of a free society and a functioning democracy. There is a word for people who cannot tolerate even the smallest difference of opinion: bi…

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