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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by dvdkon »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #655
dvdkon wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least where I live, there's no extra information being gathered. The only difference is that I no longer have to physically go somewhere to deal with that information, because I can sign in to government services online. Information that was previously in paper form and scattered across various bureaus is now being digitised and centralised, but that's orthogonal to "digital ID"!

Centralized consolidation of PII IS THE RISK

Yes, but that means digital ID isn't the thing to complain about.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by nephihaha »

Tor3 wrote: post #457
nephihaha wrote: post #441

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The problem isn't where digital ID starts, it's where it ends. It will start by being benign enough, and end with the ability to cut off dissidents in an instant. I'm aware that some Swedes are already getting microchipped. If you want to be branded and tracked by the state, that is your choice... Don't force it on the rest of us.

"I'm aware that some Swedes are already getting microchipped." If you mean Swedish dogs and cats, then yes. Otherwise, no.

No, I meant people. There are people who have been chipped and boasting about it on YouTube.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by mikkupikku »

noduerme wrote: post #561
pfannkuchen wrote: post #363

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I don’t really get why people seem convinced that the government is removing protections for all citizens under a smokescreen of illegal immigration handling, as opposed to taking limited and temporary measures to deal with an unusual situation. My current interpretation is that they are fear mongering about violence because they are actually way more racist than they admit publicly, and might want to remove more peo…

>> why do we think that they are using this as a ruse to like become despotically authoritarian in general You stated this very well. But I do think it's a ruse. I don't have a problem with enforcing the law on illegal immigration.[0] But I do think the deployment of National Guard and in some cases Marines on American streets, allegedly to disperse anti-ICE protests, is a long game to make sure that there will be no…

> "If these clowns can be used as a casus belli to declare war and use the US military against the civilian population, then..."

That hasn't happened though. Deploying the national guard to stare down and maybe tear gas some clownish protestors is pretty typical stuff, not a civil war.

By the way, I was in Seattle when the CHAZ stuff was happening and saw firsthand how both sides of the media were lying about the reality on the ground. Half the media wanted me to believe it was a violent insurrection and the other half wanted me to believe it was just a family friendly Woodstock situation. Reality as I observed it: it was just a bunch of losers huffing spray paint fumes, with the police hanging back a few blocks letting them make fools of themselves. I saw no violence, I wasn't stopped at an armed checkpoint by AK-47 wielding masked rebels like Fox News promised (I didn't seriously expect that, lmao.)

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by mcdonje »

nephihaha wrote: post #660
mcdonje wrote: post #638

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You're kinda missing the point. It's quite common for "free speech absolutists" to defend racism and other forms of bigotry, but not much else.

The problem is in the definition. The British Government has accused Pro-Palestine protestors of it in the last few months.

That example supports my position.

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Post by nephihaha »

oblio wrote: post #448
nephihaha wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't where digital ID starts, it's where it ends. It will start by being benign enough, and end with the ability to cut off dissidents in an instant. I'm aware that some Swedes are already getting microchipped. If you want to be branded and tracked by the state, that is your choice... Don't force it on the rest of us.

> I'm aware that some Swedes are already getting microchipped. Source?

This from Newsweek in 2022 about Sweden.

https://www.newsweek.com/people-get-microchips-implanted-tha...

"In 2017, a railway company in Sweden began allowing travelers to load their ticket information onto the microchips implanted in their bodies, according to BBC News. Railway conductors were then able to use smartphones to detect the chip and confirm the travelers' tickets."

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by mcdonje »

mikkupikku wrote: post #657
mcdonje wrote: post #638

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You're kinda missing the point. It's quite common for "free speech absolutists" to defend racism and other forms of bigotry, but not much else.

It is the most unpopular speech which is at the greatest risk of being censored, and so there is it also the best place to hold the line on free speech. If you don't defend the right to say racist things, then you've already conceded the fight for free speech and are now just negotiating your surrender.

Again, missing my point.

I'm generally in favor of free speech, so your argument is not new to me. It's also not relevant to what I said, since you missed the point.

Also, you think racism is unpopular?

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by [deleted] »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #565
wosined wrote: post #172

Sounds so authoritarian. Luckily, in the UK you only have to scan your face and ID to access cat photos.

Are you talking about downloading reddit, which is infested with the weirdest pornography that exists ? While I am very much against facial scanning etc, it is quite clear that something needs to be done about the access of porn to kids. It is a drug like any other that we do not allow kids to consume.

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Post by oneshtein »

jack_tripper wrote: post #597
victorbjorklund wrote: post #554

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Have you even been to Ukraine lately? you can walk on the streets of Kyiv and there is so many men walking on the streets without getting picked up. I've been walking the street as a man and and from the looks of it you can't tell if I'm a foreigner or a Ukrainian and I never been stopped and they never tried to conscript me. Do some people get conscripted in Ukraine and Russia? Sure. But it's just an exaggeration cl…

>Do some people get conscripted in Ukraine and Russia? Sure. It's not that they get conscripted that's the problem, it's that people are being chased and violently thrown into vans of the street without any kind of warning or check of conscription status beforehand, Which I argued is proof the government doesn't need any kind of digital ID to oppress you.. There's video evidence of such events online, check X and Tel…

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Post by ori_b »

sofixa wrote: post #611
gclawes wrote: post #529

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It's not really that a digital ID can be used to spy on people (governments can already do this to a pretty large degree without needing spyware). It's that it's a permission system that can be instantly updated and centrally managed by people that have legal authority to spy on you. If your digital ID is controlled centrally by the government (the guys that are watching most things you do already), and you need your…

> It's that it's a permission system that can be instantly updated and centrally managed by people that have legal authority to spy on you. How is it a permission system? It's a way to prove your identity safely, online. No proposal/implementation that I'm aware of (maybe outside of China, but I'm not familiar enough) that actually conditionally does so based on preconditions and blocks you from actions. It would pro…

> How is it a permission system? It's a way to prove your identity safely, online.

Can someone revoke your ability to prove your identity? To pick an example, say, the far right wins an election and decides that trans people need to go back to their birth genders, and revokes the validity for the identifiers of anyone that has transitioned.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

charcircuit wrote: post #650
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #335

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> Being able to break the law is never a good thing. Suppose there is a law against being Jewish.

Then I suggest Jewish people not visit the country. Trying to still visit despite being banned will not leed to a good outcome.

They live there and it's also illegal for them to try to leave.
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