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Re: Steam Machine

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Post by littlestymaar »

paxys wrote: post #182

A bit too sparse on details. - No price - No indication for whether the CPU/GPU/RAM/SSD are upgradable or all soldered together on the board. - "4K gaming at 60 FPS with FSR" but doesn't mention what kind of games it can run at that quality. - No performance benchmarks, or mention of what the equivalent retail CPU/GPU to their custom one is. At face value this seems like a $500-600 PC, and that's also the price it wo…

> - No indication for whether the CPU/GPU/RAM/SSD are upgradable or all soldered together on the board.

SSD and RAM are upgradable, source:

https://www.theverge.com/tech/818111/valve-steam-machine-han...

Re: Steam Machine

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Post by haritha-j »

I know everyone says such good things about the steam deck, but my personal experience hasn't been great. Steam games are the best case scenario, but even those often require hunting down the best version of proton and doesnt work out of the box. why cant steam auto default to the version that works with the game? Getting discord running properly often involves switching to desktop mode, and then its hard to play handheld. if i connect a display in handheld mode i cant increase the resolution to match my monitor. and then we get to 3rd party stores, requiring all kinds of hoops, and once you get it working and you come back to a game after a couple of months, its broken again. Installing ISOs requires even more painful work (tbf thats not an intended use case i guess). Disclaimer: my use of the steam deck has been as a fairly non technical user. For me the whole point of getting it was a slightly console like experience, so I wasn't willing to hack into it too much.

Re: Steam Machine

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Post by xattt »

syx wrote: post #659
Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe wrote: post #621

> Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? I'm so happy to read this

I'm sure someone will install OpenStep and recreate a NeXT computer 2.0

It just won’t torch the same (1).

(1) https://simson.net/ref/1993/cubefire.html

Re: Steam Machine

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Post by theshrike79 »

brailsafe wrote: post #573
theshrike79 wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This promises 4k 60fps gaming and Valve is good with hardware, so this is an immediate buy from me if it's under 1000€ No need to mess around building a gaming PC anymore.

> This promises 4k 60fps gaming and Valve is good with hardware, so this is an immediate buy from me if it's under 1000€ Does it promise that? It seems like the hardware might do it, didn't see that anywhere

Valve says it runs 4k 60fps with FSR and I trust them.

NOTE: it's not "4k60 at ultra detail", which seems to be implied in the minds of some PC gamers =)

Re: Steam Machine

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Post by close04 »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #640
serf wrote: post #634

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm so happy to read this it rings hollow from a company whose entire bedrock for existence is DRM procedures. does Steam still disallow accounts from playing more than one independently owned game at a time without special procedures?

Steam DRM is weak, non intrusive and optional so complain to the devs for enabling it. I rather take steam DRM than securerom or denuvo.

The problem is for now more of principle. Any DRM means you depend on Valve/Steam to continue to legally play your purchased games. If Valve has a change of heart, or of leadership, or hits a financial rough patch they can easily become a rent seeking gatekeeper. That non-intrusive DRM is the thin line between perpetually accepting Valve's conditions or playing illegally. This isn't a Valve specific problem but they get a free pass today because of all the good things they've done and the good will they're continuously showing. If this ever runs out a lot of people will be very disappointed.

I'm not judging them "by comparison" because it's hard to look bad next to Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, etc. Just looking objectively at the situation, even if Valve was alone on the market.

Re: Steam Machine

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Post by calcifer »

haritha-j wrote: post #662

I know everyone says such good things about the steam deck, but my personal experience hasn't been great. Steam games are the best case scenario, but even those often require hunting down the best version of proton and doesnt work out of the box. why cant steam auto default to the version that works with the game? Getting discord running properly often involves switching to desktop mode, and then its hard to play han…

> For me the whole point of getting it was a slightly console like experience

You say this, but talk about the difficulty of 3rd party stores and installing ISOs. A console like experience means using Steam alone, and not even considering desktop mode.

Re: Steam Machine

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

hoppp wrote: post #647
Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe wrote: post #621

> Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? I'm so happy to read this

Yup. Sounds like its just a PC and not a locked down platform. Its easy for them and convenient for everyone.

Except that (I believe) "just a PC" was a bit offputting for a lot of people - when you buy a PC you can't just turn it on and play video games, especially not after Microsoft's shenanigans.

I'm honestly surprised nobody else tried a "boot to game library" PC, but then, you also need the name and reputation for it. Microsoft could've done it, but they chose to make a console. Which is mostly a PC, but you need xbox games, a separate ecosystem.

Re: Steam Machine

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Post by jeppester »

culi wrote: post #558
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #367

> Install your own apps, or even another operating system. Who are we to tell you how to use your computer? From your mouth to Tim Cook's ear, friend.

I haven't gamed in almost a decade but what an exciting time to be alive as a PC gamer: - almost every classic console is easy to emulate - most modern consoles are, less-legally, emulatable - we have thorough archives of Flash games and ofc almost all non-flash web games are still functioning - cross compatibility across OS's has never been better And, best of all, almost all of this is achievable on Linux! You can…

That single thing is great UX.

While I personally very much enjoy all of the things I can do on PC and Steam Deck, I can definitely understand why my wife - who's not as technically inclined - prefers the PS5.

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