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Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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> The British, French and Israelis literally went to war against Egypt over the Suez. > They only backed up when the US told the Brits and France they would tank their economies still on US life support. But they did back off. The US was willing to stand up for Egyptian sovereignty even against their own allies. That isn't an example of non-western countries being unable to enact protectionist policies, it's an examp…

The article is about Dutch, that is European, piracy under the pretense of sovereignty. My example is about European piracy under the pretense of that foreign ownership supersedes sovereignty. That is to say, hypocrisy. The US' role was, of course, hypocritical. I mention it only to illustrate that even the US found the european actions blatantly imperialist.

> The article is about Dutch, that is European, piracy under the pretense of sovereignty.

> My example is about European piracy under the pretense of that foreign ownership supersedes sovereignty.

The British and French did something wrong 70 years ago and the world called them out for it, therefore it's hypocritical for the Dutch to call out a similar wrong thing being done against them now? Nonsense.

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Some more context from a dutch news source[0]: The ministry of economic affairs intervened out of a fear that crucial technological skills and capacities will leave the Netherlands and Europe. The ministry stated in a press release[1] that there was a threat of a "knowledge leak" (w/e that means exactly) and a possible threat to the European economy. After this intervention the Dutch government can now stop or revers…

In my completely uninformed opinion I think China is taking their toys and going home.

The UK gov stepped in to stop a Chinese firm closing our steel mill. Capitalism wasn't made to handle large strategic foreign investments closing their own company at nationally inopportune moments.

It feels like a slow burn of embrace, extend, extinguish but playing out on global critical technology and industry.

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Microsoft operated in China for more than a decade before azure was a thing. A lot of companies did, Microsoft is just the one I’m familiar with.

Almost everyone in China pirated Windows and Office. Microsoft were unable to do anything about it, and gave up trying. Western companies have virtually no IP in China. It gets stolen and IP rights are not enforcible - western companies basically cannot sue Chinese companies. Chinese companies can enforce their IP against western companies, who have to surrender theirs to access the Chinese market. The system is comp…

Like in other places, Apple does very well in China, and everyone "pirates" MacOS wait...no they don't. Microsoft made/makes money in China, the piracy came from an outdated software model that eventually went away, and WinDev was going down in flames on revenue worldwide even before that.

> The only way to level that playing field is for western nations to do the same: Let their domestic companies freely steal Chinese IP and selectively enforce IP rights, as China does.

China literally just gives it away for free. They are the top supplier of open source LLMs.

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>China wants all the access to the rest of the world and wants everyone to buy their products... but they do not want to reciprocate. There's a history with the West where they have been manipulated and taken advantage of in a way that the US never has. It's possible their desire to force companies into partnerships is genuinely based on a fear of that happening again. You say that China wants everyone to buy their p…

> There's a history with the West where they have been manipulated and taken advantage of in a way that the US never has. That's definitely possible but I think the cause is much simpler: initially they wanted to bootstrap their own industries and now nothing forces them to do anything different so they just continue with hyper-protectionist policies. On the side of the west: Outsourcing to China is the new group-thi…

I think you are overstating how much of manufacturing is automated. There's still a great deal of human labor involved.

>If I had a nickel for every time a government or leader adopts bad policies despite the obvious future negative consequences I'd be the world's richest person.

This is everyone. The voters are at fault as well because sometimes they support those that create short term wins over the long term.

For outsourcing politicians beliefs that the US workforce would become the white collar workers of the the world which is true would increase the quality of working life.

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Some more context from a dutch news source[0]: The ministry of economic affairs intervened out of a fear that crucial technological skills and capacities will leave the Netherlands and Europe. The ministry stated in a press release[1] that there was a threat of a "knowledge leak" (w/e that means exactly) and a possible threat to the European economy. After this intervention the Dutch government can now stop or revers…

Germany implemented something similar like this after China took over Kuka (industry leading robotics) and practically build an entire industry of robotics in China after that. And of course, the jobs disappeared from Germany.

Tweet at the time: https://x.com/JacklouisP/status/1957432021388837117?t=HJgXNK...

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Nexperia makes quite a line-up of parts. Huge range of pretty low level things, various logic and bus small devices, mountains of transistors. https://www.mouser.com/manufacturer/nexperia/featured-produc... They have a not huge but very nice line-up of GaN fet devices too. I'd been looking through their line-up here just lack week! Just fun to see what's on offer here. I couldn't find a latest listings by manufacture…

From my experience it's a lot of automotive stuff
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