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Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Germany, of course. Like my company needs government permission to store backups.

More like: your company (or government agency) is critical infrastructure or of a certain size, so there are obligations on how you maintain your records. It’s not like the US or other countries don’t have similar requirements.

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I am very happy with the software that powers my Hyundai Tuscon hybrid. (It's a massive system that runs the gas and electric engines, recharging, shifting gears, braking, object detection, and a host of information and entertainment systems.) After 2 years, 0 crashes and no observable errors. Of course, nothing is perfect: maps suck. The navigation is fine; it's the display that is at least 2 decades behind the time…

I've been working for a Korean Hyundai supplier for two years training them in modern software development processes. The programming part is not a problem, they have a lot of talented people. The big problem from my point of view is management. Everyone pushes responsibility and work all the way down to the developera so that they do basically everything themselves from negotiating with the customer, writing the req…

> If they're late,they just stay and work longer and on the weekends and sleep at the desk.

This is the only part that sounds bad? Negotiating with customers may require some help as well but it's better than having many layers in between.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Why not?

As of today, there's no way to prove the security of any available cryptosystem. Let me say that differently: for all we know, ALL currently available cryptosystems can be easily cracked by some unpublished techniques. The only sort-of exception to that requires quantum communication, which is nowhere near practicability on the scale required. The only evidence we have that the cryptography that we commonly use is ac…

Thank you for writing this post. This should be the top comment. This is a state actors game, the rules are different.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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post #649

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Funnily enough, Germany has laws for where you are allowed to store backups exactly due to these kinda issues. Fire, flood, earthquake, tornadoes, whatever you name, backups need to be stored with appropriate security in mind.

Germany, of course. Like my company needs government permission to store backups.

(Without knowing the precise nature of these laws) I would expect that they don't forbid you to store backups elsewhere. It's just that they mandate that certain types of data be backed up in sufficiently secure and independent locations. If you want to have an additional backup (or backups of data not covered by the law) in a more convenient location, you still can.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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If the US government and corporate executives had even half this level of shame, we'd have nobody left in those positions!

Not the same country but another example of a culturally similar attitude towards shame over failure: In Japan in 1985, Flight 123, a massive Boeing 747 carrying 524 people, lost control shortly after takeoff from Tokyo en route to Osaka. The plane's aft pressure bulkhead catastrophically exploded, causing total decompression at the high altitude, severing all four of the massive plane's hydraulic stabilizer systems…

Happened more recently too https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/south-korean-ex-...

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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More like: your company (or government agency) is critical infrastructure or of a certain size, so there are obligations on how you maintain your records. It’s not like the US or other countries don’t have similar requirements.

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Nope: The other way around. If you are of a certain size, you are required to ensure certain criteria. NIS-2 is the EU directive and it more or less maps to ISO27001 which includes risk management against physical catastrophes. https://www.openkritis.de/eu/eu-nis-2-germany.html

Of course you can do backups if you are smaller, or comply with such a standard if you so wish.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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post #664

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Germany, of course. Like my company needs government permission to store backups.

(Without knowing the precise nature of these laws) I would expect that they don't forbid you to store backups elsewhere. It's just that they mandate that certain types of data be backed up in sufficiently secure and independent locations. If you want to have an additional backup (or backups of data not covered by the law) in a more convenient location, you still can.

> sufficiently secure and independent locations

This kind of provision requires enforcement and verification. Thus, a tech spec for the backup procedure. Knowing Germany good enough, I'd say that these tech spec would be detrimental for the actual safety of the backup.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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What a sad news as a Korean to see a post about Korea at the top of HN during one of the largest Korean holiday. I can share an anecdote how slow tech adoption is in Korea. It is not exactly about tech in public section but in private companies. I assume public section has slower adoption rate than private ones in general. Just about a year ago I had a couple of projects with insurance companies. I won't name them bu…

Back when I worked for Mozilla, I had the chance to go to Seoul to meet with various companies and some governmental ministries. This was when Korean banks and ecommerce sites required Internet Explorer and Active-X controls for secure transactions. This meant that MacOS users or Linux users couldnt do secure transactions in Korea without emulating Win/IE.

What was the outcome of these meetings? Have they switched to Firefox?

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Nope: The other way around. If you are of a certain size, you are required to ensure certain criteria. NIS-2 is the EU directive and it more or less maps to ISO27001 which includes risk management against physical catastrophes. https://www.openkritis.de/eu/eu-nis-2-germany.html Of course you can do backups if you are smaller, or comply with such a standard if you so wish.

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Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Backups should be far away, too. Apparently some companies lost everything on 9/11 because their backups were in the other tower.

Some foolishly believed that the twin towers were invincible after the 1993 WTC bombing. Before 9/11, most DR (disaster recovery) sites were in Jersey City, NJ just across the river from their main offices in WFC or WTC, or roughly 3-5 miles away. After 9/11, the financial industry adopted a 50+ miles rule.

Jersey City still was fine and 50 miles can be problematic for certain types of backup (failover) protocols. Regular tape backups would be fine but secondary databases can't be that far away (at least not at the time). I remember my boss at WFC saying that the most traffic over the data lines was in the middle of the night due to backups - not when everybody was in the office.
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