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Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits

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'Not ever' is a broad statement. Would you rule out off-planet mining and manufacturing? Or the scaling of artificial meat production?

Why would off-planet mining and manufacturing make things easier?

It was a reply to the assertion that land restrictions mean the resources for full automation will always be unavailable. I don't agree with his contention, but offered a likely workaround anyway.

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In the next couple of decades? Starship is real, space mining companies are real, NVIDIA Cosmos is real, robotics development is nascent, but real and thrilling. Ordinary market forces will ensure the uptake of robotics. You're calculating the expense of returning mined resources using past metrics that are superseded altogether in this scenario. For instance miniaturization suddenly won't be necessary for mining com…

>metrics that are superseded altogether in this scenario. For instance miniaturization suddenly won't be necessary for mining companies wishing to send gear to asteroids Nothing in the near future is superceding the tyranny of the rocket equation. It'll still be extremely expensive to send equipment to and retrieve material from space even if the spacecraft and mining equipment were literally free.

You are simply incorrect.[1] Starship will change it all if it succeeds. The space sector is abuzz with the possibility of orbital refueling and the opportunities it will open up, eg [2]

[1] https://orbitalindex.com/archive/2023-03-15-Issue-210/

[2] https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=50157.0

Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits

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It's worth noting that due to advances in technology, it is possible to deliver the same show for less money and time. The average "how to cook on a food network" show was, ultimately, one person in the kitchen of a large home cooking for the camera, produced once a week. There are plenty of people delivering that style of cooking show with high production quality today. Obviously it's not the same because some thing…

A wide range of things have gotten dramatically cheaper, but that only goes so far. Many YouTube channels make great use of Zoom calls for example. It’s still generally a compromise vs an actual face to face conversation. Safety is another real concern. People have died doing stuff solo that wouldn’t have been particularly dangerous with minimal supervision.

I mean as far as this goes

> Many YouTube channels make great use of Zoom calls for example. It’s still generally a compromise vs an actual face to face conversation.

A lot of today's news footage with experts etc. these days is also not shot from studios but from online calls. Actually flying somebody out onto location is pretty uncommon; and I would say with the rise of filmed podcasting, that podcasters are more likely to have people on set than television news is.

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post #258

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A wide range of things have gotten dramatically cheaper, but that only goes so far. Many YouTube channels make great use of Zoom calls for example. It’s still generally a compromise vs an actual face to face conversation. Safety is another real concern. People have died doing stuff solo that wouldn’t have been particularly dangerous with minimal supervision.

I mean as far as this goes > Many YouTube channels make great use of Zoom calls for example. It’s still generally a compromise vs an actual face to face conversation. A lot of today's news footage with experts etc. these days is also not shot from studios but from online calls. Actually flying somebody out onto location is pretty uncommon; and I would say with the rise of filmed podcasting, that podcasters are more l…

Daily TV News is limited by travel times. If some story breaks finding the right person and getting them on an airplane and then into a studio can be impractical.

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It's very hard to find anything other than half saying AI is in a bubble, and we will pop any day now, and the other half declaring AGI by 2029, when a new revolution will begin. If you follow the hard science and not the money, you can see we're somewhere in-between these two takes. AI datacenters requiring new power plants is unsustainable for long-term growth. Meanwhile, we have LLMs accepting bullshit tasks and c…

> Meanwhile, we have LLMs accepting bullshit tasks and completing them. Would you mind elaborating on that? I’m not quite sure what you mean.

Bullshit tasks are the modern TPS reports. Tasks that create no real value to anyone, but are necessary because management likes to think it is progress.

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Pretty sure discord and slack are not useless…

Discord and slack are evolutions of msn messenger and icq. Not web chat rooms.

Discord is literally a web chat room. It operates over the web. Its interface is a re-branded web browser. You chat in it. There are rooms (although I suppose people call them "channels," implying a conceptual link to IRC).

Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits

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I mean as far as this goes > Many YouTube channels make great use of Zoom calls for example. It’s still generally a compromise vs an actual face to face conversation. A lot of today's news footage with experts etc. these days is also not shot from studios but from online calls. Actually flying somebody out onto location is pretty uncommon; and I would say with the rise of filmed podcasting, that podcasters are more l…

Daily TV News is limited by travel times. If some story breaks finding the right person and getting them on an airplane and then into a studio can be impractical.

I just think if both are using zoom calls it's a bit unfair to make youtube the bad guy for also doing so.

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Discord and slack are evolutions of msn messenger and icq. Not web chat rooms.

Discord is literally a web chat room. It operates over the web. Its interface is a re-branded web browser. You chat in it. There are rooms (although I suppose people call them "channels," implying a conceptual link to IRC).

In the 2000 every single webchat room was connected to irc.

Discord is not.

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