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>America being the "leader of the free world" has benefited it immensely. It doesn't make a difference. See this graph: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/GDP_per_... GDP growth stayed on the same trend both before and after the US tried to "lead the free world" post-WW2. >military power projection That's a cost for us, not a benefit. I don't want my tax dollars to be "projecting power". I want them…

> military power projection > That's a cost for us, not a benefit. If id get a cent for every US-american not understanding their hegemonial privilege... (Sorry, shouldnt be an insult. Its just so prevalent and to me, a sign of lacking self criticism on a worringly massive scale.) Eg: https://business.columbia.edu/research-brief/dollars-dominan... TLDR: The US military backs the dollar as international trade currency…

>lacking self criticism

I really don't think the US has any shortage of self-criticism. I am criticizing US policy at this very moment! It is you who defends current US policy and says it is good (for the US at least). I am the critic here.

But if you really believe what you're saying about self-criticism, that's evidence for my position that the US should not play world police. If we're incapable of self-criticism, we will do a bad job at world policing.

>TLDR: The US military backs the dollar as international trade currency, which puts all other nations in a depending position to lend USD. This allowed the US to cheaply amass a gigantic debt that in turn allowed ridiculous (military) budgets.

"There once was a fisherman relaxing on the beach, catching just enough fish to feed his family. A businessman told him he should work hard, hire employees, catch more fish, and grow a big company—then, after many years, he could retire and live a peaceful fisherman's life. The fisherman smiled and said, ‘But isn’t that what I’m doing right now?’"

Assuming you are right: We need the debt to fund our military. We need our military to borrow for our debt. Why are we playing this game, exactly? It's a cyclone of vice.

Personally, I think the USD would actually be a stronger reserve currency if we reduced international adventurism. This would reduce the incentive of other nations like Russia and Israel to interfere in our politics, and thus improve our institutional stability. Switzerland is very stable, and an attractive investment destination, because it is known to be neutral.

It's also not clear to me if reserve currency status is a good thing. It makes our exports less competitive, and increases our trade deficit. It's like eating cookies for every meal. Sure, you're getting a lot of calories. But it's not good for your health in the long term.

If you look at the GDP trendline, it's been the same regardless of USD reserve status. So I'm additionally just not sure this matters either way.

In any case, if you really believe what you are saying, you should be very happy about my advocacy, since it increases the chance that your nation's currency becomes the new reserve currency. Oh boy, your country might take on a ton of debt and become the new self-appointed world police, hated by all, with constant foreign interference in your politics! Isn't it grand?

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Is this a coup by conservative government to gain control of this social network to promote it's ideologies? first Twitter, now Tiktok, both controlled by conservative interests?

Sounds like you preferred it when it was controlled by liberal interests.

Liberal interests ≠ Democrat government

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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I mean I do want the world's most influential social media app to be within the jurisdiction of a non-authoritarian state, yes.

The USA is also an authoritarian State, it just has better marketing. I live in Taiwan. I'm no fan of the CPC. But if you zoom out a bit, it's kinda hard to distinguish the two beyond Americans winning global cultural victory (CPC propaganda is still goofy and obvious). Point at tiananmem square, an atrocious massacre of their own citizenry. The USA has done this - it has locked its citizens in concentration camps, s…

I guess the US have a kind of Tank Man photo. The girl from Vietnam.

About media. For me, since Trump second term, I just can't watch Superhero movies (DC / Marvel). It just feels strange and wrong for me. Also movies like the Den of Thieves (1), the feel just plain wrong with a brutal police.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Reminds me of Yahoo buying Tumblr. Mismatched. Their best bet is to change little to nothing, but not sure the administration will let them.

It does seem mismatched but it's also an opportunity for Oracle to become relevant in the space, if they handle it right. Though yeah, if they go the Yahoo-route it's going to be a huge waste. But it's really up to how the company handles the acquisition. Yahoo missed big time by just trying to change the culture of the userbase way too quickly. They didn't like that people were posting porn on Tumblr when that was o…

That never worked.

Google had Google+ which was a massive failure.

Facebook tried releasing a product for workplace communication named Workplace/Facebook at Work and that is almost dead.

Microsoft has been eyeing a social media platform for years, and the only relevant product that I am aware of is Viva Engage (formerly Yammer) that is not very good in my opinion.

Oracle has never ever had any product that targets mainstream consumers. They always focused on enterprise products and don't understand consumers. Just like Microsoft never released a hardware product that matches iPhone's success, or Apple never has any enterprise product that remotely competes with Office. It's not in their gene. They'll be lucky enough if they don't run it into the ground.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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This. I think people in general misunderstand the allure of power and the means to maintain it. Power centers in US are drooling at the opportunity to do what China has done in terms of controlling discourse and language. The interesting thing is that they all assume that this particular measure of control would never be turned against them. edit: Adjusted weapon to 'measure of control'. I accept people are a little…

In a democracy where the politicians change every 4-8 years this is receipt for disaster. The next administration will undo action taken by the previous one. In effect destroying any momentum or progress for achieving anything. For China and Russia this is not a problem because of the totalitarian state.

I'm sure that by now someone on the Trump administration has also realized this and has some plan to keep the politicians from changing.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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> a guy at CBS as a "bias monitor" Kenneth Weinstein. "Mr. Weinstein has had a long career in right-leaning and neoconservative public policy circles. He is a firm and vocal champion of Israel." (NyTimes)

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The US political party system has no "right" and "left" -- it has "right" and "righter right."

At the grassroots level there is a bit of a "left" in the Democratic party, but it has no power anywhere.

EDIT: this is why it's twice as jarring to see Trump and the GOP ranting about the "radical left" in US politics. WTF? Where? Tepid neo-liberalism funded by Soros is... "left wing?" Wow.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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I was trying to be more neutral, but after some thought, this isn't the time for that. My "surprise" was more than a bit sarcastic. Between this and the FCC going after Kimmel, now is the last chance I will give for anyone claiming to care about free speech to prove they weren't lying. There's no plausible deniability anymore, free speech is unambiguously under attack.

What’s even more hilarious are all the anti cancel culture warriors from the past few years going on about how the Kimmel situation isn’t cancel culture. Especially since this is probably the only incident in the last couple of decades where the cancelation was a result of the government threatening consequences unless a specific individual was not canceled.

Cancel culture has been firmly adopted by all political sides now. It is simply too powerful and effective a weapon to be not used.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Why would anyone want to use OracleTok?

TikTok is banned in India. OracleTok might not be.. So that's a lot of potential users.

It's been 5 years since it was blocked, and there has been a lot of competing apps. OracleTok would be no different from a new entry to the market which has little chance to win.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Why would any company want to operate in America, sell to Americans or onboard American users anymore? If you're not successful you just wasted a ton of time and money. If you are successful the newUSA will force you to divest what you've build against your will. Doesn't sound like a country worth investing in anymore.

>If you are successful the newUSA will force you to divest what you've build against your will. Besides what bluecalm said, if TikTok were a Canadian, British, French, German, Korean, Japanese, or Taiwanese company, the US government wouldn't have intervened in the first place. Conversely, if TikTok were a Canadian, British, French, German, Korean, Japanese, or Taiwanese company, American would not have to fear a hos…

Hostile in what way exactly? What have the actions of hostility been to warrant theft?

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Key details: 1. New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users. 2. 80% owned by a U.S. investor consortium led by Oracle, Silver Lake, and Andreessen Horowitz, 20% by Bytedance. 3. Board will include one U.S. government–appointed director. 4. All U.S. user data would sit on Oracle infrastructure in the US. 5. Algorithm will be initially licensed, but has to be reengineered to comp…

>New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users.

I'm from Europe so if I want to follow US content creators, I need to download separate US specific app?! Kinda silly.

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