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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by selcuka »

pge wrote: post #639
gmueckl wrote: post #435

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This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

I would add to your list that MSFT also makes decent hardware now - surface laptops and xbox have both done well

Also their HID hardware was usually excellent. It's a shame they closed that division.

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Post by meindnoch »

pjerem wrote: post #533
xnyan wrote: post #508

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Don’t Apple and Ubuntu also advertise products in their OS also?

Apple barely does it and only for their products. I agree with you that that’s already too much and too annoying but that’s an order of magnitude less than Microsoft who advertise their products pretty aggressively AND ALSO are advertising for whoever gave them money too. Ubuntu I didn’t use it for years, there are tons of other distributions that I prefer now but last time I checked, there was a removable default sh…

>Apple barely does it and only for their products

And U2

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by michaelmrose »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #423
meindnoch wrote: post #404

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

These are the kind of claims that make some Linux users tiresome to talk to. (Full disclosure: I am also a Linux user). I'm not defending Microsoft, they are not necessarily my cup of tea, but these claims are only true of anything pre-Nadella era (part of 2014 and earlier). Feel free to express your opinions, but don't be hateful!

Nadella has worked in senior leadership positions at MS for 33 years. His era began in 1992 not when he became CEO.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by dimgl »

sho_hn wrote: post #226
bee_rider wrote: post #143

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Apple and Microsoft seem very different companies. Apple is stylish and cool by default, with occasional stumbles. Even among tech people, they have good will even though they seem to regard the Open Source community with total ambivalence at best. Microsoft is the Walmart of operating system providers, that happened to buy a popular Git hosting site and briefly made noises that seemed not awful. In terms of coolness…

> Even among tech people, they have good will Wait, do they? I mostly remember: - A neglected desktop OS with slowly deteriorating quality - Aimless products like the Vision Pro that seems to have failed as the "get the devs excited" premium SDK launch everyone described it as - Rocky start issues on Apple Intelligence, nerfed Siri, etc. - Unexciting iPhone launch and lots of ridicule levied on Liquid Glass It's the…

> I'd say few tech people have been excited about Apple otherwise lately, as product or platform.

Maybe you're speaking for yourself? I absolutely love my Macbook and the M-series are the best devices I've ever owned.

> - A neglected desktop OS with slowly deteriorating quality

Really? I haven't noticed.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by bratsche »

kokanee wrote: post #589
rustystump wrote: post #461

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Idk i can think of a long list of awful stuff coming out of ms that is modern. They put fing ads in an os among other atrocities. I put them behind meta on the evilness meter but i think google is less evil which speaks volumes. The only side of ms that i have any love for is xbox but that is also waning with all the studio acquisitions.

Your comment warrants a post in its own right: let's rank FAANG/M by evilness. Personally I've always been way more afraid of Google, because Microsoft's evil is just old-school capitalism, which is blatant, brash, and harder to ignore than to identify. Google feels like they are quietly and surreptitiously trying to pull the strings of the online economy in their favor, voraciously consuming the world's data behind…

I think what's almost shocking about this is that Google seemed so great in the beginning. "Don't Be Evil" was even like an internal code of conduct slogan or something.

I never worked there and have no inside knowledge of what happened. Did they get taken over by MBAs who gained control of the company? Was it always evil and we were just misled the whole time? Something else?

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Post by bee_rider »

bananalychee wrote: post #503
nobleach wrote: post #397

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If that's what you "mostly" remember, your memory is awfully selective. It's totally fine for you to have a bias, but you're overlooking decades of massively successful products and services. Having owned plenty of Thinkpads (Linux), Dells(Windows and Linux) and plenty of Macbook Pros, I can say, Apple's superiority of hardware is so far beyond the rest. Having an OS with a BSD-ish experience is really nice as well.…

Of course it does in the US tech bubble, if you talk to people who haven't been using Macs for 30 years you might hear a different story. While Apple makes good hardware they also have plenty of blunders, especially in recent years, much like Microsoft in its domain really. Both are coasting on their past successes and familiarity. I get it, many of my coworkers watch their announcement streams like they're video gam…

The VR headset was such a flop that I think it might paradoxically have not hurt their reputation. Like nobody is saying “wow, this Apple vision thing really sucks,” because nobody has seen one.

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Post by ksherlock »

layer8 wrote: post #66
JohnTHaller wrote: post #3

GitHub will now fall under Microsoft's CoreAI team, which give some indication of GitHub's purpose and direction going forward.

Some more indication: > “Just like how Bill [Gates] had this idea of Microsoft being a bunch of software developers building a bunch of software, I want our platform, for any enterprise or any organization, to be able to be the thing they turn into their own agent factory,” said Parikh [the CoreAI team lead]. That Bill Gates analogy seems rather far-fetched, though.

Let's think about MicroSoft back in the 90s. There are no agent factories, whatever they are, but non-programmers are using Visual Basic, Excel, and Access to write their own software. Maybe throw in some ASP as well. (What if ClippyGPT had been available back in the day?) So thinking about that, if you ignore the buzzwords and squint, it kind of looks familiar.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with GitHub. Will they ~~agentify~~ enshittify Visual Source Safe as well?

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Post by marcus_holmes »

kokanee wrote: post #589
rustystump wrote: post #461

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Idk i can think of a long list of awful stuff coming out of ms that is modern. They put fing ads in an os among other atrocities. I put them behind meta on the evilness meter but i think google is less evil which speaks volumes. The only side of ms that i have any love for is xbox but that is also waning with all the studio acquisitions.

Your comment warrants a post in its own right: let's rank FAANG/M by evilness. Personally I've always been way more afraid of Google, because Microsoft's evil is just old-school capitalism, which is blatant, brash, and harder to ignore than to identify. Google feels like they are quietly and surreptitiously trying to pull the strings of the online economy in their favor, voraciously consuming the world's data behind…

Can we add Palantir at the top?

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Post by sebastialonso »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #530
yencabulator wrote: post #496

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> I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to something open. Try using VSCodium legally with the same functionality as VSCode; remote development, Python language server, C++ debugging, and so on. People who think Microsoft is doing open source work for the good of their hearts are still in for a lesson in EEE. https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/exte…

As GP said: > Long story short: MS isn't a saint. They are a business. And they have behaved relatively nice for so long that some young adults don't know any other side of MS now. They are a business. You seem to misunderstand that businesses cannot behave like charities. Being a business implies being for-profit. Nobody said open source had to be free as in free beer, it just had to be free as in freedom. It's thei…

Man, more than two decades of open source and people still don't understand what free as I'm freedom means. It's depressing.
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