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Re: Open models by OpenAI

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Post by helsinki »

M4R5H4LL wrote: post #437
wizee wrote: post #417

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Privacy, both personal and for corporate data protection is a major reason. Unlimited usage, allowing offline use, supporting open source, not worrying about a good model being taken down/discontinued or changed, and the freedom to use uncensored models or model fine tunes are other benefits (though this OpenAI model is super-censored - “safe”). I don’t have much experience with local vision models, but for text ques…

+1 - I work in finance, and there's no way we're sending our data and code outside the organization. We have our own H100s.

This is not a shared sentiment across the buy side. I’m guessing you work at a bank?

Re: Open models by OpenAI

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Post by kakoni »

rasmus1610 wrote: post #627
atlasunshrugged wrote: post #573

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Add government here too (along with all the firms that service government customers)

Add healthcare. Cannot send our patients data to a cloud provider

Europe? US? In Finland doctors can send live patient encounters to azure openai for transcription and summarization.

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Post by 9rx »

rafaelmn wrote: post #663
9rx wrote: post #650

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https://dpaste.org/zOev0

Is the knowledge cutoff for this thing so stale or is this just bad performance on recent data ?

It is painful to read, I know, but if you make it towards the end it admits that its knowledge cutoff was prior to the election and that it doesn't know who won. Yet, even then, it still remains adamant that Biden won.

Re: Open models by OpenAI

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Post by nexttk »

Quarrel wrote: post #51
Disposal8433 wrote: post #21

Please don't use the open-source term unless you ship the TBs of data downloaded from Anna's Archive that are required do build it yourself. And dont forget all the system prompts to censor the multiple topics that they don't want you to see.

Is your point really that- "I need to see all data downloaded to make this model, before I can know it is open"? Do you have $XXB worth of GPU time to ingest that data with a state of the art framework to make a model? I don't. Even if I did, I'm not sure FB or Google are in any better position to claim this model is or isn't open beyond the fact that the weights are there. They're giving you a free model. You can ev…

I agree with OP - the weights are more akin to the binary output from a compiler. You can't see how it works, how it was made, you can't freely manipulate with it, improve it, extend it etc. It's like having a binary of a program. The source code for the model was the training data. The compiler is the tooling that can train a module based on a given set of training data. For me it is not critical for an open source model that it is ONLY distributed in source code form. It is fine that you can also download just the weights. But it should be possible to reproduce the weights - either there should be a tar.gz ball with all the training data, or there needs to be a description/scripts of how one could obtain the training data. It must be reproducible for someone willing to invest the time, compute into it even if 99.999% use only the binary. This is completely analogous to what is normally understood by open source.

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Post by freehorse »

9rx wrote: post #637
int_19h wrote: post #496

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I tried 20b locally and it couldn't reason a way out of a basic river crossing puzzle with labels changed. That is not anywhere near SOTA. In fact it's worse than many local models that can do it, including e.g. QwQ-32b.

I tried the two US presidents having the same parents one, and while it understood the intent, it got caught up in being adamant that Joe Biden won the election in 2024 and anything I do to try and tell it otherwise is dismissed as being false and expresses quite definitely that I need to do proper research with legitimate sources.

I mean I would hardly blame the specific model, Anthropic has a specific mention in their system prompts on trump winning. For some reason llms get confused with this one.

Re: Open models by OpenAI

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Post by notachatbot123 »

nojito wrote: post #494
dongobread wrote: post #433

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How up to date are you on current open weights models? After playing around with it for a few hours I find it to be nowhere near as good as Qwen3-30B-A3B. The world knowledge is severely lacking in particular.

Why does it need knowledge when it can just call tools to get it?

Why do I need "AI" when I can just (theoretically, in good old times Google) Google it?

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Post by [deleted] »

spongebobstoes wrote: post #611
Eisenstein wrote: post #568

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The water is used to sink heat and then instead of cooling it back down they evaporate it, which provides more cooling. So the answer is 'it eventually becomes rain'.

I understand. but why this is bad? is there some analysis of the beginning and end locations of the water, and how the utility differs between those locations?

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Re: Open models by OpenAI

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Post by Arkhaine_kupo »

spongebobstoes wrote: post #611
Eisenstein wrote: post #568

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The water is used to sink heat and then instead of cooling it back down they evaporate it, which provides more cooling. So the answer is 'it eventually becomes rain'.

I understand. but why this is bad? is there some analysis of the beginning and end locations of the water, and how the utility differs between those locations?

Hot water disrupts marine life for one very very big problem.

Depending on the locatin of the hot water you can cause disruptions to water currents, the north atlantic waterway is being studied to how much global warming is affecting it.

If greenland melts, and the water doesnt get cold up there, then the mexico current to europe ends and England becomes colder than Canada.

If your AI model has a data center in the atlantic, it could be furthering that issue.

(Millions of animals are also dead)

Re: Open models by OpenAI

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Post by orra »

spongebobstoes wrote: post #611
Eisenstein wrote: post #568

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The water is used to sink heat and then instead of cooling it back down they evaporate it, which provides more cooling. So the answer is 'it eventually becomes rain'.

I understand. but why this is bad? is there some analysis of the beginning and end locations of the water, and how the utility differs between those locations?

Water is expensive to move (except by pipes), and expensive to purify from salt water. This is why regional droughts are a bad thing.

Fresh clean water in your area is a wonderful thing.

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