Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers • Hacker News Board

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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Post by izacus » Sat, Jul 05, 2025, 8:09 PM UTC

inkyoto wrote: post #637

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Pretty much none of what you mention is true. There's a huge ecosystem of 3rd party mechanics, replacement parts, services and maintenance for used cars. Even a cursory glance at the world around you quickly proves that what you wrote it just utter crock.

There is no need to respond if you can't hold a civilised discourse and choose to descend into directed insults instead. One can't install a Ford made shock absorber on a Honda Civic and vice versa. The time of interchangeable spare parts came to an end some time in 1980-90's where the car manufacturers started actively embracing the vertical integration. If somebody makes compatible, third party parts, it is mostly…

Calling you out on your blatant lying isn't uncivilized discourse. Coming here and trying to persuade us that the mechanics, part shops and repairs we did don't exist is just bizarre.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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Post by redeeman » Mon, Jul 07, 2025, 2:44 PM UTC

ghusto wrote: post #647

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rofl, people would never accept not having their locked down iphones or facebook. this would be a very losing battle for politicians

You don't have a good feel for the anti-American-corporation sentiment here. Politicians in fact pay lip-service to "data sovereignty", for the points it gets them.

yeah, true, because then people think the government is solving it for them without them doing ANYTHING. Take their facebook/whatsapp away, and you'll see consequences. hell, we have several people on HN that claims its simply not possible with live without whatsapp. Take their whatsapp away and they may aswell go lie down in a ditch and die.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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Post by Validark » Thu, Jul 10, 2025, 6:50 AM UTC

swat535 wrote: post #538

Validark wrote: post #529

I'm still stuck on the whole 30% tax. How is that considered even remotely reasonable?

How is the 30% tax different than other platforms? Further, how much do you think should this be (20%? 10%? 5%?) and if zero, why? Finally, do you believe Apple should be compensated for the services and marketplace that they are offering, if so, what other strategies do you recommend that they deploy to make everyone happy?

Of course I think Apple should be compensated for their services. But the idea that software businesses should have to pay 30% of their income to Apple is insanity. How are they meaningfully contributing to every sale? Should I have to pay 30% of my income to my landlord? Should online retail businesses have to pay 30% to UPS or FedEx? Software distribution is the lowest-cost distribution business imaginable. I'm not saying bandwidth is free, but if it would make more economic sense for Fortnite to ship you a USB drive with their software on it rather than go through the App store, then there might be some extortion going on.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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Post by Validark » Thu, Jul 10, 2025, 7:27 AM UTC

someperson wrote: post #565

Validark wrote: post #529

I'm still stuck on the whole 30% tax. How is that considered even remotely reasonable?

Why can't Apple set whatever pricing they want? Unless you're arguing that Apple has a monopoly. Also it's not a tax, though arguably it can be termed an "economic rent" (a technical term) that can be considered excessive, but I'm not sure about that.

Apple can't do whatever they want. They are subject to consumers through market choices and through government legislation. When one company has a monopoly, e.g. when almost every kid at school has an iPhone, that company needs to be regulated so that the interests of the public are not completely sacrificed to protect one company's personal interests. Just because they made the iPhone doesn't mean they are entitled to dictate everything digital to every iPhone user. They still have to play ball with the rest of society and can't deploy anti-competitive practices, they still can't dictate what rights their users have, and consumers need protections from their decisions as well as the decisions of others. I think the idea that market forces should be the only thing that gets companies to stop doing wrong is missing the fact that choices are removed as things centralize, that no man is an island, and that companies who sell you a product that locks you into a service doesn't make them your Lord.

And regulating Apple is quite different from regulating someperson. If you made a Linux phone in your basement, nobody would tell you what kind of charger you should use. But companies that claim ownership of a substantial economy and can dictate the rights and culture and economic output for a large section of society do need to have more checks on their power than just, "Well if I'm so wrong, then why do I have so much money? Maybe you should make your own phone that won't work well with anyone else's and see if you can sell it."

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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Post by inkyoto » Sat, Jul 12, 2025, 5:18 AM UTC

izacus wrote: post #661

inkyoto wrote: post #637

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There is no need to respond if you can't hold a civilised discourse and choose to descend into directed insults instead. One can't install a Ford made shock absorber on a Honda Civic and vice versa. The time of interchangeable spare parts came to an end some time in 1980-90's where the car manufacturers started actively embracing the vertical integration. If somebody makes compatible, third party parts, it is mostly…

Calling you out on your blatant lying isn't uncivilized discourse. Coming here and trying to persuade us that the mechanics, part shops and repairs we did don't exist is just bizarre.

Personal experience might not be representative of the actual situation across the board, but it is the experience I have gone through, and it is most assuredly not lying. If you choose to call that lying, that is entirely the choice of your own however misguided it is.

Anyhow, I can't stoop that low to converse with a random lout online hurling insults left and right. Enjoy it elsewhere, bye.