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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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> The race riots didn't help, but they were largely secondary to the factories leaving. That's not what I mean. What I understand was that, in many cities (not just Detroit), racism led to the factories leaving.

How does that work? Did GM suddenly decide there were too many black people in Michigan so they moved to Georgia?

There are several issues of how racism interacted with manufacturing.

One is that the auto manufacturers wouldn't hire black people into serious jobs - for a long time, all they could be was janitors, etc. I read one account that they went to local black leaders for recommendations and one person had a graduate degree - CPA or MBA, iirc. They got a dead-end clerical job or something like that.

Union workers were often actively hostile, even when union leadership welcomed them. Multiple times they walked out when one black person was hired.

Also, local racism crushed the black community, which would be the workforce. Redlining effectively prevented black people from living outside certain neighborhoods and prevented them from getting loans. They ended up packed into these neighborhoods, subject to white slumlords who charged exhorbident rents. Schools were awful. With little education, no money, no access to credit, and even if you overcame all that, no opportunity for career. Don't forget police brutality, race riots against blacks everywhere, lynchings in the South, etc.

There is more I'm not remembering atm.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Who is 'everyone'? Trump voters? Don't know what to say, P2025 was definitely the plan. A third term is flooding the zone with distractions. And if by some twist of fate it's his intent, the earliest you can do anything about it is midterms. Before that we will have had pivotal moments on tariffs, Ukraine/NATO, DOGE, and due process.

No, Trump himself constantly claimed to know nothing of P2025. But apparently it’s now “was definitely the plan”. How am I supposed to distinguish between that and his rhetoric around 2028? How do we know it’s “flooding the zone” and not serious?

> How am I supposed to distinguish between that and his rhetoric around 2028?

Well a good first step would be to not take his word on anything. Why on earth would you have any faith in his P2025 denials?

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Let me make sure I understand this: the president is addressing the fentanyl state of emergency by tariffing imported vehicle parts from wherever?

nobody said winning the war on drugs was gonna be easy

the trick is to make people too poor to afford drugs.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Perhaps it‘s the “no true Scotsman” fallacy, but I find it hard to consider anyone enamored with Trump to be legitimately libertarian. The guy basically regards himself as a dictator and his edicts are mega-authoritarian. To me it is logically impossible to reconcile the two positions. You simply can’t be a pro-authoritarian libertarian. You can’t really espouse libertarian values while being what is coded as “cultur…

Libertarianism is essentially "more powerful and richer people should not be restricted in any way whatsoever". If your freedom or rights are limited by someone who is not directly government, libertarian answer is "that is their freedom you dont matter, government should protect their right to mistreat you".

I think this not only a strawman, but it is also literally factually incorrect.

Libertarianism is very simple and easy to dismiss out of hand if you believe this about it.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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I'm not referring to anything behind the scenes, I saw the press secretary intervention and I was embarrassed for America. It's as pathetic as the president complaining about "bad numbers". I miss the times when the free world had an articulate leader.

> I miss the times when the free world had an articulate leader. Watching historical debates and speeches just makes me sad about the disparity with modern oratory.

Probably driven in large part by the expansion of the voting pool. Great political thinkers have no more appeal to the masses at large than Beethoven, Dostoevsky, or Linux.

So we get entertainers and silver tongued devils for politicians whose primary skillset tends to overlap heavily with that of conmen.

Speaking of figures with no mainstream appeal, Plato wrote extensively, and utterly prophetically, about this phase of democracy in The Republic, and how it will inevitably lead to tyranny. It's playing out as if from a script.

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Democrats will win by advocating no voter id and preventing anyone watching the vote counting. Again.

I really don't want MAGA people watching who I vote for. I'm sure you see logic in that? Also, I love vote by mail, I appreciate it as much as the residents of red state Utah who also appreciate that.

lol so you are ok with the party you oppose skipping votes for your party because it happened behind closed doors and poll watchers / challengers are not allowed in.

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> Today, when you talk about foundational principles like federalism, limited government, etc., the chief response is that those are incompatible with having a government powerful enough to protect minorities from the majority. We live in different bubbles, it seems. I haven't heard that argument. I have heard that 'states rights' is intended to workaround various federal rules, including civil rights. The foundation…

> I haven't heard that argument. I have heard that 'states rights' is intended to workaround various federal rules, including civil rights. That’s the same argument from the other direction. The federal government, as designed, wasn’t powerful enough to protect minorities from the majority. Those rules entailed a major expansion of federal power. Indeed, you can see the seams in the civil rights laws. For example, Ti…

Their concern was exactly the opposite: that a minority cabal in the government would oppress the majority.

That's a unique take fundamentally at odds with the very concept of the Senate.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Let me make sure I understand this: the president is addressing the fentanyl state of emergency by tariffing imported vehicle parts from wherever?

Let's stop about this fentanyl lie. Even Donald laughs that the world has believed that

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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I really don't want MAGA people watching who I vote for. I'm sure you see logic in that? Also, I love vote by mail, I appreciate it as much as the residents of red state Utah who also appreciate that.

lol so you are ok with the party you oppose skipping votes for your party because it happened behind closed doors and poll watchers / challengers are not allowed in.

Voter fraud is something that (some) Republicans do to prove how easy it would be for Democrats to get away with it...and they always get caught.

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US was giving less percentage of their GDP on foreign aid the other western countries. Americans consistently overestimate how much is USA helping others.

The US cannot possibly ever win the hearts and minds of the entire population. It is a classic example of "damned if you do and damned if you don't"

The desired outcome isn't capturing hearts and minds, it's preventing easily preventable diseases and deaths for what amount to pennies in the federal budget.
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