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Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by volemo »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #480
mvanbaak wrote: post #423

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And there you are, watching a movie on that 120p+ tv. You do k ow the movie is only 24p right?

I also (hopefully) don't have to interact with any UI while the movie is playing, but if I did, I'd want that UI running at 120hz. Maybe TV streamers will start advertising 120hz output soon. Maybe I should just replace my streamer with a spare PC that can output 120.

> Maybe TV streamers will start advertising 120hz output soon.

120 Hz won’t make a difference on a TV box, imo, as abysmal state of their UI is far greater of a problem. High refresh rate is nothing when a transition takes seconds and when scroll is jittery even by 60 Hz standards. :(

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by gargan »

homefree wrote: post #411
ruuda wrote: post #247

My 4-year old Dell XPS 15 is up for replacement, but somehow no manufacturer aside from Apple is making laptop with decent specs nowadays? I want 2TB storage, a 4k (or close) HiDPI display, good build quality, and not a bulky gaming laptop. The XPS 15 was perfect, it had those specs, except it only had 1TB storage which is now full. I was expecting that to not be an issue 4 years later ... But now Dell discontinued X…

There's nothing close, Apple has better talent and the vertical integration gives them an edge (especially on performance per watt on their chip designs). Since the M series chips, there's been no other option if you care about quality. There are crappy alternatives with serious tradeoffs if for some reason you are forced to not use Apple or choose for non-quality reasons.

In my experience the Snapdragon X Elite is about the same as an M2. It's got slightly worse battery life but still a battery that blows the competition out the water.

Plus you get the benefits of loading out your laptop with 64GB RAM etc without paying Apples ridiculous prices

Snapdragon are just getting started. The Snapdragon X2 is coming out later this year with 18 cores

Apple does have some serious competition now

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by necovek »

Kon-Peki wrote: post #391
pja wrote: post #294

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Latest X1 Carbons have 14" 16:10 OLED screens: https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx1/t... Or pick up a Framework 13 which has a 13.5" 2880x1800 16:10 screen: https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-13-gen-amd/configurat...

> Latest X1 Carbons have 14" 16:10 OLED screens‘ Ah, that is an excellent improvement!

Latest as in the last ~10 years worth of releases. They are on gen 12 or 13 (I had or still have gen 5, 6, 8, 11).

The worst problem is they are Intel-only so I moved to T14s which is not as polished (their premium AMD option is too MacBook-like with sharp edges and worse keyboard in Z13 or something), yet AMD is much closer to Macs on thermals, battery life and performance.

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by motorest »

frontfor wrote: post #618
motorest wrote: post #567

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> It's not a Veblen good. What do you think it is then?

This is an incredibly lazy comment. I think you and most people would agree on the immense utility of Apple products. There’s also no evidence that demand increases with price in MacBooks.

> This is an incredibly lazy comment.

It isn't, and it's amusing how people get riled with a simple request to justify why dismissed someone else's opinion without presenting a single argument.

> I think you and most people would agree on the immense utility of Apple products.

They are consumer electronics, and laptop manufacturers are a dime a dozen. Why do you believe they are special in that regard? I mean, until recently they even shipped with a below-standard amount of RAM.

> There’s also no evidence that demand increases with price in MacBooks.

That's the definition of a Veblen good, something that is not known for being useful beyond serving as a status symbol.

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by volemo »

meindnoch wrote: post #313
brk wrote: post #265

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I've never really felt this way, and have used all kinds of screens of various resolutions, sizes, technologies, etc. For 99% of the typical use cases (chats, email, doom scrolling, etc.) there just is not a big enough perceptible difference for most buyers. Screen refresh rate arguments are starting to have hints of audiophile discussions.

Going 60hz → 120hz: "Meh, I guess it's smoother? Whatever..." Going 120hz → 60hz: "WTF? Why is it so choppy? Am I accidentally in low battery mode?" It's similar to going back to non-retina displays after getting used to retina resolution.

What conclusion do I draw from this? “Stay away from high refresh rate screens not to spoil myself” :D

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by necovek »

barake wrote: post #431
ruuda wrote: post #384

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I’ve been browsing the Lenovo (and others’) website for weeks, and the only two laptops it shows with 2TB storage and 4k display are the ThinkPad P1 and P16s. The ThinkPad X1 and Framework 13 have a much lower resolution display. Also, I appreciate Framework’s mission, but it’s not the build quality that I’m looking for.

If you use the product filter it only shows laptops that come pre-configured with 2TB of storage. If you choose a custom build you can configure the latest X1 Carbon with 32 GB RAM, 2 TB storage, and a 2.8k display. If you choose the custom build route some even can ship with Fedora or Ubuntu, so presumably Linux support is reasonable.

Latest will do 64GB RAM with some CPUs too.

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by usmanmehmood55 »

> Up to 23x faster than fastest Intel‑based MacBook Air

Comparing it to a 6 year old laptop.

> Up to 2x faster than MacBook Air (M1)

Comparing it to a 5 year old laptop.

Love these comparisons.

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by pjmlp »

ruuda wrote: post #247

My 4-year old Dell XPS 15 is up for replacement, but somehow no manufacturer aside from Apple is making laptop with decent specs nowadays? I want 2TB storage, a 4k (or close) HiDPI display, good build quality, and not a bulky gaming laptop. The XPS 15 was perfect, it had those specs, except it only had 1TB storage which is now full. I was expecting that to not be an issue 4 years later ... But now Dell discontinued X…

I am quite happy with Asus and Thinkpad pro graphics laptops, wihout being bulky gaming laptops, and I get more tech per buck with the nice Win32/DirectX and CUDA ecosystems that everyone is "emulating" nowadays.

Why get the lesser copy, when I can get the original at better price?

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by pjmlp »

cpursley wrote: post #582
motorest wrote: post #565

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> Most people buying an entry level computer these days should at least consider stretching to get a MBA than the $300-400 shovelware, they’ll get so much use out of it. I don't think that expecting everyone to waste 3x the money to scratch the same itch is an informed take, specially when the $300 shovelware has far better specs in terms of RAM and by far HD. Nowadays you can even get better performing miniPCs for h…

Specs don’t actually mean anything. Jobs was right. People just want their shit to work.

Pity that isn't how macOS has been lately.

Re: MacBook Air M4

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Post by nasretdinov »

volemo wrote: post #665
meindnoch wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going 60hz → 120hz: "Meh, I guess it's smoother? Whatever..." Going 120hz → 60hz: "WTF? Why is it so choppy? Am I accidentally in low battery mode?" It's similar to going back to non-retina displays after getting used to retina resolution.

What conclusion do I draw from this? “Stay away from high refresh rate screens not to spoil myself” :D

That's actually not a bad recommendation if you want to keep sanity as a tech enthusiast :). Otherwise you start noticing how much stuff still hasn't been upgraded to support high dpi and high refresh rate and you can't go back
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