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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by csa »

jajko wrote: post #633
gruez wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Against the man that seemingly suffered no setback from "grab her by the pussy" and all the various lawsuits?

Imagine having fun with animals, men, children, bsdm and so on. That's not even bottom of the pit. I mean he was a good friend with epstein and there are numerous videos of their friendly encounters (so did clinton, gates and so on just to be clear). Go figure. But I think he is just a small insecure emotional boy at the core, and thats enough if you know which buttons in which order to push. ruskies somehow figured…

> Imagine having fun with animals, men, children, bsdm and so on. That's not even bottom of the pit.

Other than children/minors, I don’t think the others are likely. Possible, but not likely.

Whatever kompromat they have was almost certainly came during the 2013 miss universe pageant in Russia. It would have been trivially easy to get an old enough-looking minor in the room with him.

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Post by motorest »

gershy wrote: post #626
DidYaWipe wrote: post #88

The USA stands in miserable disgrace.

I'm not sure what to think. Ukraine can't militarily defeat russia or reclaim its lost territory, and as long as it continues to try to do so, there will be war and the world will be less stable. But if a line is not drawn against russia, I think we have every reason to believe putin will continue to conquer more land over time. Russia is the source of instability, but it can't be defeated or reasoned with. What to d…

> I'm not sure what to think. Ukraine can't militarily defeat russia or reclaim its lost territory, (...)

Are you sure about that? I mean, didn't Afghanistan forced Russia to retreat in defeat and leave the country?

> and as long as it continues to try to do so, there will be war and the world will be less stable.

All the more reason to help Ukraine finish the job and force Russia to leave.

Ultimately, worst case scenario Ukraine can simply keep Russian in a war of attrition while eating away at it's economic base.

Russia is already sending it's soldiers with crutches riding donkeys into battle. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel for resources.

> But if a line is not drawn against russia, I think we have every reason to believe putin will continue to conquer more land over time.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by spectra72 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #615
spectra72 wrote: post #600

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The UK, France and China also signed that same agreement.

France and China signed separate, individual agreements. The UK and France have clearly followed (and exceeded, via direct military aid it does not require) the requirements of the memorandum. I can't find the text of China's agreement.

As has the US with all of their aid.

Yet, the US is the one that is forever chided for being negligent to the terms of the agreement.

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Post by audunw »

gershy wrote: post #626
DidYaWipe wrote: post #88

The USA stands in miserable disgrace.

I'm not sure what to think. Ukraine can't militarily defeat russia or reclaim its lost territory, and as long as it continues to try to do so, there will be war and the world will be less stable. But if a line is not drawn against russia, I think we have every reason to believe putin will continue to conquer more land over time. Russia is the source of instability, but it can't be defeated or reasoned with. What to d…

Of course they can defeat Russia, if they’re tenacious enough. Just look at Afghanistan (against both Russia and USA). If the costs ends up being too high, eventually the attacker loses the will to continue the fight.

Russia is running out of equipment. What they have left is in an increasingly bad state. Ukraine’s recent strategy of targeting refineries is working fairly well.

Ukraine now has domestic laser weapons for taking down Russian drones.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #614
lern_too_spel wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine's parliament overwhelmingly supported the EU-UA agreement. It had the support of the populace. Yanukovych was going to be replaced at the next election because of it, and his violent suppression of the protests only sped that up. There was no need for western involvement to make that happen, and your belief that there was is an evidence-free conspiracy theory. https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/us-launched-euromai…

It wasn't then nor now a legitimate parliament. Please refer to the 2014 Victoria Nuland phone leaks to see for yourself how the United States chooses who is a member of the Ukrainian government. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Nothing in that leak shows that the US chooses members of the Ukrainian government, only that they work with them. All of them were democratically elected, just like Zelensky. Next you're going to tell me that Yatsenyuk grew a beard and joined a Chechen gang in the 90s and cite the DNC leaks as proof. https://www.voanews.com/a/ukraine-yatsenyuk-chechnya-russia-...

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

ponector wrote: post #327
riehwvfbk wrote: post #317

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I would like to mortgage the house for it. Do you want to sign off the mortgage for my house in the city which is bombed to the dust by Russians? It is quite easy to end the war: give enough weapons to Ukraine and put strict sanctions to Russia. However USA decided not to this. They sent some old weapons with huge restrictions to use against Russians, to be able barely survive. End the war - means force Ukraine to ac…

ref:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...

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Post by codedokode »

tim333 wrote: post #613

Trump no doubt will say this is a negotiating ploy to get Zelensky to make concessions but you have to wonder why all the concessions have to be made by the victim and not the aggressor. Why not ask Putin to pause killing Ukranians or return some of the kidnapped children or some token of goodwill?

Because West has no means to put more pressure on Russia (they cannot even stop buying natural gas), so it has to talk nicely. US cannot demand, for example, that Russia gives them a share of their minerals and generally cannot demand anything.

Actually in hindsight the best time for negotiations was somewhere in end of 2022, but that chance is long gone.

But while West cannot demand, it still can offer (i.e. removing nuclear weapon and US forces from EU etc).

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Post by hnburnsy »

unethical_ban wrote: post #469

Every time I ask rhetorically what a known, paid Russian asset would do differently as President of the US than Trump is doing, I get crickets from Trump supporters.

>what a known, paid Russian asset would do differently as President of the US than Trump

Well the obvious one is dropping Russian sanctions. Has Trump done this?

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Post by ojl »

layer8 wrote: post #492
rdm_blackhole wrote: post #144

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I have trouble following the logic here. Putin has not been able to conquer the whole of Ukraine after 3 years, but somehow, suddenly, he will be able to conquer all of the Baltic states without breaking a sweat? So which is it? Is the Russian army fighting with shovels or are they a ferocious horde that is unstoppable? Those two things cannot be true at the same time. I am getting tired of people parroting this narr…

Russia hasn’t been able to conquer Ukraine in three years primarily due to US support. Now that US support is falling away, Europe can only compensate for a minor portion of it. One important part that Europe can’t replace anytime soon is military intelligence, including satellite reconnaissance, but also advanced air defense systems and fighter jets. It would or will take many years for Europe to be able to provide…

So you believe Trump when he said that the US has given more support than Europe? He was corrected several times but continues saying it, and I see several comments about it here as well. I agree about satellite reconnaissance and such systems though. Several countries wants to give fighter jets, and Sweden wanted to give Gripens but someone convinced them to pause those plans.
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