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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by mjfl »

This place has become a real echo chamber lately. I'm seeing radically unexamined opinions stream past like a firehose and can't respond to all of them. But to the anti-peace "pro-Ukranian" people here:

1. Do you see a path to victory? If so, how many Ukranians have will have to die before Crimea is retaken? Conditioned on your answer - do you really care about Ukrainians?

2. Do you really believe that the West stands for the 'rules based international order' while it unconditionally supports the ethnostate of Israel holocausting it's indigenous population inside of a concentration camp?

3. Do you really consider Ukraine to be a democracy given that Zelensky has suspended elections and has repressed his political opposition?

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by brightball »

Animats wrote: post #387

On the minerals front, the US doesn't need anything from Ukraine. Most of the minerals mentioned, except titanium, are un-mined deposits. Or things the US has plenty of already, such as oil, natural gas, coal, and iron. Here's a rundown: - Rare earths: I've mentioned the MP Minerals, Mountain Pass, CA mine before. The US doesn't have enough rare earth refining capability, and China won't export the technology. So US…

I thought I remembered reading that Ukraine was the largest source of neon gas in the world and that it was necessary for lasers that make advanced microchips?

Remember reading that sometime on here when the war started I think.

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Post by anon291 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #10

Ukraine is in a bind, and the US has the power to do whatever it wants. But boy, will the nations of the world remember this -- how quickly the US can turn from ally to bully. A really bad day for US foreign policy. The EU is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of NATO now.

It is not bullying to say that American monetary support means basically doing what the United States want you to do. This is basic human social interaction.

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Post by unclebucknasty »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #10

Ukraine is in a bind, and the US has the power to do whatever it wants. But boy, will the nations of the world remember this -- how quickly the US can turn from ally to bully. A really bad day for US foreign policy. The EU is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of NATO now.

>how quickly the US can turn from ally to bully

This is not at all consistent with U.S. foreign policy. It is one regime, that clearly has different thoughts about our alliances. It's an anomaly or, more accurately, an aberration. And it's similar to what's happening here domestically as well.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by insane_dreamer »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #10

Ukraine is in a bind, and the US has the power to do whatever it wants. But boy, will the nations of the world remember this -- how quickly the US can turn from ally to bully. A really bad day for US foreign policy. The EU is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of NATO now.

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by krick »

sys_64738 wrote: post #328

I've never felt this embarrassed to be an American in recent years. To all our foreign friends in computing, the majority of people in the US are not caricatures of POTUS and his sock puppet sidekick.

I don't understand why you assume your foreign friends in computing are not in favor of... eh, whatever you are "embarrassed by". And whatever it is, the (small) majority of people in the USA voted for it, so your statement simply means you are so invested in your own religion that you are willing to fool yourself into thinking "nearly everybody" is, not just every second guy. Which surely seems like "nearly everybody", if you don't want to consider their point of view has as much merit as your own.

If anything, I expected HN crowd to be one-sided, but not that one sided. All these laments in this topic are kinda crazy to read, honestly.

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Post by kesor »

yakkomajuri wrote: post #284

Usually we keep the mainstream news out of here but felt I had to post this one because I've never seen anything like it and was curious to hear other people's perspective here. To me it feels like a setup to look good in front of their audience without any proper desire to engage in true diplomacy.

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