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Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by Liquid_Fire »

mid-kid wrote: post #140
seydor wrote: post #114

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yes you can download your skype chats https://secure.skype.com/en/data-export

Thanks! I exported my data through this and it didn't take too long. Unfortunately this has the same issue as every other data export tool, in that it doesn't let you infer context in surrounding messages, it only saves yours. Also apparently chat logs didn't start being kept until sometime around 2017, most of my extensive skype use was around 2014, so I reckon it's all gone by now. Shame.

Skype chats used to be peer-to-peer, so older history would only be kept locally by the client. If you have backups of your user/home directory from that time, it might be recoverable. IIRC they were stored in an SQLite database, so it's not too difficult to export them.

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by paulddraper »

geocar wrote: post #601
paulddraper wrote: post #433

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FaceTime requires the initiator have a Mac. Mac users can call others. Others cannot call Mac.

Exactly wrong in every way. FaceTime requires the Mac or iPhone or iPad user create a link. It's a regular (persistent but revokable) link to a web page with javascript and shit, but anyone can click the link which initiates the call; Others can call Mac, it's Mac which can't call others.

> FaceTime requires the Mac or iPhone or iPad user create a link.

Yes, FaceTime requires that the Apple user initiate.

> It's a regular (persistent but revokable) link

You are correct that you can save the link somewhere for future use.

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by hulitu »

EA-3167 wrote: post #543
timewizard wrote: post #530

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> before Microsoft's corporate hug of death Abuse of the law to buy a competitor, form a monopoly, and then price fix an entire market. It sounds cute when you say "hug of death" almost like they didn't intentionally seek out this precise outcome. > It was also available literally everywhere Funny how that was literally the first thing to get the axe. I guess some "hugs" are like that, huh? > Rest in peace! Justice f…

Speaking of hugs, remember the mantra: "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish."

> Speaking of hugs, remember the mantra: "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish."

They are working hard now on the Extinguish phase. Linux was set back by systemd and wayland. And what's left of it is available as WSL.

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by hulitu »

pentagrama wrote: post #490
legitster wrote: post #270

Skype is the epitome of technical debt. Millions of lines of code for a service that isn't technically difficult to provide anymore. When I was at Microsoft, I was told working on Skype was about as popular as being sent to a gulag. The value of the brand is so strong, I am surprised they never launched a "2.0" version built from scratch and without all the vestigial tails.

The 2.0 version of Skype is Microsoft Teams, and they built it from scratch. Along with the Skype code, the Skype brand was also thrown in the trash. You could question that decision—perhaps keeping both brands for different target demographics would have been a better move. Teams could be for work and business, while Skype (powered by Teams' code) could remain for regular consumers. But I’m not sure. Maybe it’s bett…

> and they built it from scratch.

They are still building on it. For some reason, noone at Microsoft has any idea how the final product shall look like, so they are changing the UI/UX every couple of months.

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by geocar »

paulddraper wrote: post #662
geocar wrote: post #601

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly wrong in every way. FaceTime requires the Mac or iPhone or iPad user create a link. It's a regular (persistent but revokable) link to a web page with javascript and shit, but anyone can click the link which initiates the call; Others can call Mac, it's Mac which can't call others.

> FaceTime requires the Mac or iPhone or iPad user create a link. Yes, FaceTime requires that the Apple user initiate. > It's a regular (persistent but revokable) link You are correct that you can save the link somewhere for future use.

> Yes, FaceTime requires that the Apple user initiate.

My customer clicks the link whenever they want, and my phone rings like any other FaceTime call with the label I have given that link in my phone.

That's what I think most people want and mean by "initiate", and so I think it misleading at-best to suggest the customer (non-apple user) is unable to initiate the call.

> You are correct

And this is the first correct thing you have said.

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by efreak »

falcor84 wrote: post #244
Timpy wrote: post #240

Back in the Windows 7 days I installed Skype on my parents computer before moving abroad, their user experience was basically like receiving a phone call. Even though they weren't tech savvy we never had any issues. I would call them, and if they were home and near the computer, they could answer it and we'd be video chatting. A year or so ago I found this to be impossible, there was no application for desktop that w…

On a related note, a bit over a decade ago I had installed logmein on my parents' computer to be able to easily help them with any IT issues. But they since pivoted away from personal accounts and I never found anything else as straightforward. I feel that in a lot of ways tech has regressed. EDIT: I just found that logmein actually offer a personal product again, named GoToMyPC, but what used to be entirely free at…

I installed wireguard and just use remote desktop

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by SR2Z »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #393
SR2Z wrote: post #253

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The really egregious thing is that when businesses pay for Slack, it remains unindexed and they just change the retention to 1yr. Nothing is as frustrating as looking for an old conversation referenced in a doc and being smugly told by some corporate dick that Slack isn't for documentation and if it were important info, clearly someone should have saved it. Never mind who, it should just magically happen. The gap bet…

If it's important enough to mention in a document then the person creating the document should preserve a copy of what is clearly ephemeral information. It's just as daft was referencing emails in a document.

Yes, but what people should do rarely matches what they actually do and deleting old messages just makes it impossible to recover that info.

I find that this take is much more common among managers and executives who are used to being spoon-fed documentation than among the engineers who actually have to write and hunt for it.

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by airhangerf15 »

amedvednikov wrote: post #111
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #92

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No, Signal is compromized. Set up your Matrix server.

How is it compromised?

Signal was likely funded by State. Open Whisper Systems has a lot of shady connections:

https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/signal-facing-collapse-after...

https://yasha.substack.com/p/signal-is-a-government-op-85e

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/court-docs-show-fbi-can-interc...

https://drewdevault.com/2018/08/08/Signal.html

https://www.city-journal.org/article/signals-katherine-maher...

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by efreak »

bsimpson wrote: post #404
tech234a wrote: post #42

I agree that it’s not surprising, but I’d suspect that the name and a lot of the infrastructure will remain in various places. As others in the thread have pointed out, Teams appears to use a lot of Skype’s architecture. GroupMe is also still listed on the App Store with Skype as the developer, though their website lists Microsoft as the developer instead. GroupMe has seen recent feature updates, so I’d suspect it wo…

My day-to-day computers have always been Macs. My use of Windows has been relegated to occasional specific devices, like a TabletPC sketchbook or a 3D workstation. I don't think I'd touched Windows in more than a dozen years when I got a gaming handheld last year. It asked me for a Microsoft account (which I presumed I didn't have) or Skype. I took a guess at my old Skype credentials and proceeded with setup. I was b…

My user profile directory on my PC is `c:\users\efrea`, which is exceedingly annoying given my muscle memory typing out my username. I "fixed" this with a couple junction points (both `efreak` as used on my Linux systems, and my first name as was used on my previous Windows systems), because I frequently use RDP from my android tablet and autocorrect keeps changing it to my full username. This is the second annoyance after finding out early on that changing my username doesn't mean changing my profile directory name (at this point there's too much software and scripts with hard-coded paths, both locally and remote, to change it without leaving the junction).

I would vastly prefer my username to be my usual username, with the display name being my real full name, but my Microsoft account apparently doesn't allow this (likely due to my privacy settings).

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