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Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by Symbiote »

bmgxyz wrote: post #515
aziaziazi wrote: post #505

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I don’t know much about T1 diabet so please excuse me if I’m asking the obvious: don’t you expect to find everything necessary in an international airport like Toronto? I mean in pharmacies but also with the airport medic team? My first though in a similar crash would be to get out ASAP to avoid me or someone else roasting, although it may be so stressful that rational thinking may not be at its best.

My wife is also T1 diabetic. In principle, yes, a major airport's medical team should have everything that a diabetic needs to survive. However, depending on the person's blood sugar level at any given moment, it may be necessary to give them either insulin or sugar immediately or they will become disoriented, unable to move reliably, and maybe pass out. Hypoglycemia and hyperglycemia can quickly become medical emerg…

If the bag is this essential, then it should be carried at all times and not in an overhead locker or similar.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by smashah »

dang wrote: post #615
smashah wrote: post #324

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

It was not intended as ragebait, it was intended as an intentionally stupid joke. Thanks for linking the guidelines, I have read them now. My apologies. Feel free to delete the comment, I cannot see the option to do that anymore.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by Symbiote »

crazygringo wrote: post #538
fc417fc802 wrote: post #281

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It's also much more pleasant. And in the rare cases when things do go wrong your chances of survival are much higher.

> And in the rare cases when things do go wrong your chances of survival are much higher. That's a completely irrelevant metric. The only thing that matters is my risk of injury/death per passenger mile. Trains are much worse. End of story. What you're saying is that trains get into far more accidents, but that don't injure/kill you. On top of still being much more likely to injure/kill you. And you think that's a go…

You should compare to a country which invests significant effort into a safe railway, such as the UK.

There have been 7 passenger deaths in the UK in the last 20 years, with around 60 billion passenger km each year.

That seems to be of the same magnitude as aircraft passenger deaths per km, though I can't find those statistics in precisely the same form.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by sangnoir »

FabHK wrote: post #555
sangnoir wrote: post #305

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What you describe in the second sentence - rotating around the vertical-axis - is typically termed a spin . I think parent was saying the roll was along the planes' length rather than tail-over-nose, the latter usually result in the aircraft breaking up as the torque will be really high.

Rotation around the - longitudinal axis: roll, controlled by ailerons. - vertical axis: yaw, controlled by rudder. - lateral axis (through the wings): pitch, controlled by elevators.

Thanks - those are correct terms for aircraft in flight, that don't apply to out-of-control vehicles on the ground. An airplane that loses traction and rotates about it's vertical axis is spinning, not yawing.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by loeg »

Blancolirio video out today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOYiQG43v64

* Approach seems mostly unobjectionable (reasonable rate of descent, plausible looking approach speed)

* Runway not especially slick

* May have touched down short and left of centerline

Hope for a preliminary report from Canada Transportation Safety Board in a couple weeks.

Pilot Blog as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIhEIUrTLco

He suspects landing speed may have been too low, making it impossible to flare correctly.

(Both channels are former airline pilots.)

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Post by stouset »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #385
hugh-avherald wrote: post #208

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The purpose of that engineering feature is to ensure the wings stay on.

In the air. If the force applied is not the normal force expected from normal use it might be intended to snap off.

This is like suggesting that a boat's hull is designed to snap off in the event it encounters unexpected forces outside the water.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by imoverclocked »

tjohns wrote: post #659
imoverclocked wrote: post #573

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FYI: Canadian runways use true north, not magnetic.

Depends if you're in Canada's "northern domestic airspace" or "southern domestic airspace": https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/dnd-mdn/images/technical-a... Airports in the southern half of Canada still use magnetic for runways.

TIL!

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by alsoforgotmypwd »

fransje26 wrote: post #477
leetrout wrote: post #449

Clear view from the plane waiting to take off https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1isabt... Which also brings into mind cockpit distractions but its amazing they caught this on video.

Nice video! No flare, hard landing, landing-gear collapse. Ouch.

The landing gear didn't collapse, the wings ripped off from landing too hard.

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

ghostly_s wrote: post #532
arrowsmith wrote: post #492

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Presumably it helped that they crashed into a thick pile of snow in freezing conditions - I imagine that would slow the spread of the fire. But still, that’s astonishing footage in the Reddit post linked above. Incredible that no one died.

All that snow is going to do next to a jet fuel fire is create a lot of steam.

A fire can be extinguished with diesel (jet fuel is pretty much just cleaner diesel / kerosene) in cold conditions, I know because I’ve done it.

It takes a fair amount of heat / pressure to ignite jet fuel, easier if it’s vaporised.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by xiphias2 »

kergonath wrote: post #566
stranded22 wrote: post #459

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Just for a different point of view, my wife is Type 1 Diabetic - no way she’d be leaving her medical stuff. It’s probably not that, but is possible.

It’s better to be outside the aircraft, alive and without your stuff than inside and dead. You can get insulin in any western city.

I'm not sure it's so easy, I travel a lot, and western cities are the hardest to get any medication.

In Hawaii we were robbed with my girlfriend and went to a pharmacy and to doctor with no papers and we weren't able to refill our contraception pill (pharmacy told us to go to doctor, doctors said we need a lot of tests even though she was already taking the medication and we had police reports). Generally it's not advised to skip a day, and skipping 2 is not allowed, but doctors didn't care.

(after a lot of search we found out that Amazon online clinic is much better and even cheaper with prescriptions).

In latin america or Thailand or anywhere else in the world we could just go to a pharmacy and get what we want.

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