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Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by _Algernon_ »

crazygringo wrote: post #604
_Algernon_ wrote: post #183

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We're sick of the double standards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#United_States_v._... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#Death While Aaron Swartz was bullied to suicide, these corporations will walk free and make billions. I say give every tech CEO the Swartz treatment, then change the law.

Why not change the law first? Two wrongs don't make a right. If a law is unjust, then what good is there in continuing to punish people who have broken it, just because other people have been punished in the past? Either you think the law is just or unjust. If you think it's unjust, I don't possibly see how you think people should be punished for it. Meta wasn't responsible for what happened to Aaron Swartz.

Motive matters. What Swartz did was in protest for a cause, a form of civil disobedience (which has always been a valid form of protest in democratic societies).

The other was to make a quick buck.

I know which has earned my respect more.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by ianhawes »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #563
gruez wrote: post #515

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Except he was offered 6 months in a plea bargain, which he declined because he wanted a trial. Whether 6 months was reasonable punishment for "plug a laptop into a closet at MIT to download some scientific papers" is another matter, but "you forfeit your life" or "35 years in prison and a $1 million fine " is massively misleading.

Swartz wasn't the kind of person to accept a plea bargain from an overzealous prosecutor who was indicting him on 13 felony charges with a possible sentence up to 35 years along with a $1 million fine. I assume he wanted a trial because he wanted to continue his fight for open access. And maybe he thought he might lose, but wouldn't lose on all counts, and would make the prosecution look unreasonable in the public ey…

His criminality is one matter, but the full weight of the Federal Government on him was an entirely separate matter. A federal prosecutor's job is to jail you regardless of whether it is for downloading a file from a server or for trafficking in humans, and they will come at you with the same vigor regardless of the crime. And nothing has changed about that.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by crazygringo »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #661
crazygringo wrote: post #604

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not change the law first? Two wrongs don't make a right. If a law is unjust, then what good is there in continuing to punish people who have broken it, just because other people have been punished in the past? Either you think the law is just or unjust. If you think it's unjust, I don't possibly see how you think people should be punished for it. Meta wasn't responsible for what happened to Aaron Swartz.

Motive matters. What Swartz did was in protest for a cause, a form of civil disobedience (which has always been a valid form of protest in democratic societies). The other was to make a quick buck. I know which has earned my respect more.

Motive matters when you believe something should be criminal, but there are extenuating circumstances.

But if you don't think something should be illegal to begin with, why do you want to see someone punished? Regardless of motive? If you think it should be allowed, then it should be allowed period, regardless of whether it was to make a quick buck or for civil disobedience. Right?

I totally get who you respect more. What I don't get is "give every tech CEO the Swartz treatment" first. If you don't think what they did should be illegal, then there's just no justification for that.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by [deleted] »

tumsfestival wrote: post #653
swozey wrote: post #609

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lol I absolutely do not want non digital goods nor pirating. Ever. It's 2025. I don't have a cdplayer, a tape player, a blue ray player, I don't even know what the most modern "blue ray" disc would be. I have $2k worth of vinyls that are just unique copies I display as art I'll never put in my record player, that's also never been used. I don't want to constantly worry about 60gb of mp3 files. Oh no, that TV show I'l…

I don't know how you went from "don't pay for overpriced digital goods, just pirate them instead" to "hurr durr start using blurays and vinyls". Reading comprehension is a lost art nowadays.

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Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by kshri24 »

demosthanos wrote: post #514
kshri24 wrote: post #307

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> If you reject Macaulay on copyright because he was an imperialist On the contrary I would argue that this is precisely why you SHOULD NOT take his opinion on copyright. One of the main outcomes of imperialism/colonization is denigrating/destroying/appropriating works of art, literature with the primary goal of subjugation, subversion and thereupon replacement of native culture/traditions/institutions. I did not quo…

> One of the main outcomes of imperialism/colonization is denigrating/destroying/appropriating works of art, literature with the primary goal of subjugation, subversion and thereupon replacement of native culture/traditions/institutions. Which is irrelevant to the question of whether copyright law within the country of England and within English culture is beneficial or not. It is the nature of racism that it bypasse…

> Which is irrelevant to the question of whether copyright law within the country of England and within English culture is beneficial or not

It is irrelevant from your POV because you don't see anything wrong in IP violations when it comes to Knowledge being taken out of India, credit removed and then reproduced in European Languages, including English, as if it was some novel discovery. So those who indulged in this specifically (I am not talking about current British folk but people like Macaulay) should not be giving sermons on Copyright Law.

To give you an analogy:

Using the same logic, you would have to give CCP a pass and say they did not "steal IP from the US" because Copyright Law in China specifically applies only within the Country of China and within Chinese culture. Surely you wouldn't learn about specifics of Copyright Law from the CCP I presume (yes they do have a Copyright Law that applies internally in China). If that is the case, then the same argument applies to the British Empire as well.

> it does not follow that because someone is racist they therefore don't have anything valuable to say on loosely related topics

It is not irrelevant considering many of the same Sanskrit scriptures were translated by Arabs, which were then translated by Europeans, whose concepts then went on to become foundations of Modern Science. So when it comes to Copyright, the least one can do is not wipe out credits. And least one can do is not take advice on Copyright from such people.

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

brendoelfrendo wrote: post #457
qup wrote: post #425

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This really has fuck-all to do with copyright though, correct? If you can't tell how the content is before you read it, it could be written by a monkey.

This is starting to get pretty circular. The AI was trained on copyrighted data, so we can make a hypothesis that it would not exist - or would exist in a diminished state - without the copyright infringement. Now, the AI is being used to flood AI bookstores with cheaply produced books, many of which are bad, but are still competing against human authors.

the problem with how circular the argument is is that the essence of there being an actual problem is being taken for granted

it's not clear that detriments actually exist, and the benefits are clear

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by decimalenough »

6510 wrote: post #575
arp242 wrote: post #543

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It really screwed over a lot of regular working-class people. In some European cities getting a taxi license was a serious monetary investment. People took our huge loans for this. This was now suddenly worthless. It's like being told your very expensive university education is no longer accredited, but the student loan still exists. kthxbye. I'm not saying the existing systems were always good (they weren't), but yo…

I always tell the story of this restaurant 18 km from my house. If I order their cheapest 6 euro hamburger they deliver it for free within 30 minutes. If I take a taxi to the restaurant I may have to wait for an hour and it costs about 100 euro and another 100 to get back.

There is no way anybody is making a profit on driving 36 km to deliver a hamburger for 6 euros, and it's a matter of time until whatever faucet of VC money subsidizing this runs dry.

In much of the world the price of food delivery has risen to the level needed to make it profitable, and it's not cheap. I paid around $10 in fees plus Uber's 30-50% markups on the food itself to get a couple of burritos yesterday from a shop a mile down the road.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

daedrdev wrote: post #403
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #233

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It's unclear yet whether anything will really change. It is a perfect example though of how the rich are above the law.

USAID has already been shut down

What I mean is that people are going to sue, and they will go to the courts. It's unclear how much will really stick.

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by MourYother »

throwawaygmbno wrote: post #287
gizmo wrote: post #37

Based on the encyclopedic knowledge LLMs have of written works I assume all parties did the same. But I think there is a broader point to make here. Youtube was initially a ghost town (it started as a dating site) and it only got traction once people started uploading copyrighted TV shows to it. Google itself got big by indexing other people's data without compensation. Spotify's music library was also pirated in the…

Everyone on here is smart enough. Just do not participate and save your money. Do not pay for digital goods. If Netflix raises their prices, it doesn't matter because there is a torrent of all of their shows. If Spotify raises their prices, it doesn't matter because your favorite artist has their entire library in a torrent. If some game company ask you to pay real life prices for a digital costume, find the crack on…

I sometimes think my adblocker should very much lie to the page that "yeah, watched that, totally" in an undetectable way.
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