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A friend of mine recently finished his engineering PhD at the University of Toronto. He received employment offers from an American firm and a Canadian firm. The Canadian firm offered a total compensation package worth 80,000 CAD (~55,000 USD); the American firm offered him nearly 275,000 USD.

I can’t believe Justin Trudeau would lowball your friend like that.

People usually blame the country’s leader for any and all economic issues, whether fairly or not.

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We basically have 0 rights the moment a majority decides that we don't. That's literally what a democracy is and has been.. It will always seem great until you are the minority. America had human slaves built into its democracy until the majority said otherwise. Unsure why this is so shocking.

I don't know of any western democracy that has something this blatant in their constitution, though I might be wrong: >A simple majority vote in any of Canada's 14 jurisdictions may suspend the core rights of the Charter. However, the rights to be overridden must be either a "fundamental right" guaranteed by Section 2 (such as freedom of expression, religion, and association), a "legal right" guaranteed by Sections 7…

> A simple majority vote in any of Canada's 14 jurisdictions may suspend the core rights of the Charter

This is misleading. It also has to be in their juridsiction.

For example, alberta (25 years ago) tried to use the notwthstanding clause to ban gay marriage. It didn't work because it was out of their juridsiction.

> So a government that has 35% the popular vote can just suspend any right we have.

The notwithstanding clause only applies to some parts of the charter not all of it. It also doesn't apply to rights from other parts of the constitution.

It might also be possible for the federal government to disallow particularly egregious rights violation by provinces. I think its still an open question if fed still has power of reservation or disallowance or not.

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I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

I don’t know why they couldn’t do the friggen obvious move of asking the police to unblock the roads by force, and impounding the vehicles for repeat offences. Going after bank accounts was a coward move that never made sense. If I just sat down in the middle of a subway tunnel, I would be removed by force immediately, no matter what I was protesting. They created problems for themselves by not doing the obvious solu…

Thing is, the federal government does not have the power to "ask the police" to do anything. That's obviously by design and part of the demarcation of powers we expect from a democracy. The accusations of authoritarianism would have been just as drastic (I think?) if the PM had stood up and tried to call the RCMP or Ottawa police / OPP to task for their inaction and so on.

Sibling commenter is right: the police should be the ones under the microscope, for failing the citizenry. Questions should be asked about to what degree their membership was compromised by allegiance to or involvement with the convoy and its cause.

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I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

> Declaring the Emergency acts was overwhelmingly popular in Canada and remains one of the most popular things Trudeau ever did. Where on earth does this stat come from?

It's definitely not 'overwhelmingly popular,' but polling shows majority support (66%) from Canadians for use of the Emergencies Act at the time of the protest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act#Opinion_pollin...

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> flip the sides, i.e. you've a conservative government and a liberal protesting organization, and I'll wait to see your reaction. You mean like what the pro-Palestinian folks did at UofT (not far from where I work) in 2024 and who lost a court case (2024 ONSC 3755)? I was fine it. Was also fine with the 'Occupy Toronto' folks losing their court case: 2011 ONSC 6862. And as it stands, I live in Toronto, Canada, which…

What do either of the given examples given have to do with the Emergencies Act of freezing someone out of banking? Being kicked off university property is not the same thing as having your financial life frozen by the feds.

The organizers of one of the vancouver pro-palestine protests was designated a terrorist group. I assume that causes bank account freezes.

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Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

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Nothing will change because no Canadian government will lower house prices and that's what absolutely needs to happen. 2024 was a banner year for voting against the incumbent governments worldwide. Globally we have a cost-of-living crisis, a housing affordability crisis and a years-long decrease in the standard-of-living. Generally speaking, each country has 3 forces that are in play: 1. Progressives; 2. Neoliberals…

No government lowers housing prices. Additionally real estate rarely drops in price unless there is a major economic downturn. It isn't going to happen.

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> why was electrical reform needed? Canada uses a first past the post system for federal elections, which usually boils down to a two party state equilibrium > It would seem weird for a candidate to reform how voting works knowing it could negatively affect their side, right? Possibly, but I want to believe that politicians can put country over party (I haven't found a huge amount of evidence for this though unfortun…

> Canada uses a first past the post system for federal elections, which usually boils down to a two party state equilibrium To be fair, that two-party equilibrium is the thing that keeps every minor political crisis from causing no-confidence votes and failed governments because all of the special interests involved break the coalition. Other Parliamentary governments that don't have this kind of equilibrium end up w…

Australia is a good counter example.

We use preferential voting and haven't had a minority government, that is a government formed by coalition as the result of an election since 2010. We still typically have 2 major parties and 3-4 minor parties that can (but by no means always) hold the balance of power, particularly in the senate. It means that the govt has to compromise more often to get bills passed, but the minority parties rarely hold legislation hostage (barring things like the Housing Future Fund, which was a dog's breakfast).

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I can’t believe Justin Trudeau would lowball your friend like that.

People usually blame the country’s leader for any and all economic issues, whether fairly or not.

We do, broadly, have a problem in Canada with people blaming the federal govt for things that are not under its jurisdiction. We have a very federal system, and the provinces have a lot of power.

But in this case, yes, I think federal policy is directly implicated.

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While I agree with patio11's assessment here, if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them. Canadian politics (not uniquely here) is plagued with petty squabbles. The really meaningful political and social issues don't get any airtime.

> if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them This just illustrates why pure/Athenian democracy doesn’t work. Madness of the crowds and all that. Decide most issues by plebescite and you get an emotional outcome.

I can't imagine looking at Republican Rome or any of the tyrants in the ancient world and thinking they're better.

The Republic fell because a bunch of senators were too greedy and refused to do basic land reform or anything else to make life better for anyone other than themselves.

There's no shortage of absolutely insane tyrants that made people's lives miserable.

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