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Re: We're forking Flutter

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> If every capable Flutter framework contributor in the world regularly contributed to Flutter, that ratio of 1:20,000 would drop to 1:1,000.

LOL. That's how to get any investor to stop taking you seriously. "The global market for x is $$$bn. If we can just get 5% then..."

How do they plan to get anywhere near 100% of potential developers working on it? Most of us here could work on any number of projects, but we don't.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Pretty sure most large succesful apps have their own UI and UI design teams. Cant remember the last time i saw anything cupertino in an app. Even Apples own 'Home' app only loosely use cupertino. Id say the most noticable effect is the bottom modal sheet slide up effect. on ios the original screen animates into the background a little bit. Apps that dont implement this can be spotted but thats not unique to flutter a…

"cupertino" is the name of a Flutter widget set, not of the native platform controls or L&F. Few Flutter apps are going to use cupertino because the whole goal of using Flutter is to create cross platform codebases to save development effort. To use an alternative widget set per platform is a huge amount of additional work, and having a cupertino app running on Android is even more of a sore thumb than a material app…

> and having a cupertino app running on Android is even more of a sore thumb than a material app on iOS.

That is a bizarre fact.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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> Flutter founder here. Given that the literal founder of Flutter is in this thread using this introduction multiple times, it’s kinda hard to give you the benefit of the doubt that you honestly just meant “a founder using Flutter”.

I meant to say, "Founder using Flutter here".

Nice. Tesla founder here BTW.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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They estimate there are one million Flutter developers/users. Have I been sleeping under a rock?

There's 200k weekly downloads of node on npm. A million flutter devs means that there's a comparable amount of node devs to flutter. I'm not sure how else to estimate it, but there's 170k github stars of flutter compared to 100k node, and a roughly equal amount of forks. The 2024 SO dev survey https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology/ has flutter at 10% and nodejs at 40%. Github language stats has JS about 10-…

I use Node every day and I've never even heard of the 'node' package before. I think it's very niche.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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> That's 50 people serving the needs of 1,000,000. Doing a little bit of division, that means that every single member of the Flutter team is responsible for the needs of 20,000 Flutter developers! That ratio is clearly unworkable for any semblance of customer support. Back when I worked on .net we had fewer than 50 people maintaining a product that shipped to over a billion machines. If you opened an issue on github…

The OP was talking about developers serving the needs of developers, and the ratio involved there. This is different than developers serving the needs of machines (fifty developers to some arbitrary number of machines is not automatically impressive) or developers serving the need of users. One would expect the ratios involved to be different for all three and highly context-specific.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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>I might be wrong, as I’ve worked with .Net professionally, but I doubt you can jump from Senior Unity C# developer to Senior Asp.Net developer. Language is a small part in modern development. I'm not exactly senior to senior, but I hopped from mid level hobbyist Unity dev to professional Unity dev , to mid level .net dev. I have a very specific niche though. I'm very comfortable with my career. >Multiplatform Compos…

Android Studio is subsidized by Google and works pretty much only Android. The moment you have to work something more, e.g. some Web stuff you need to pay for IntelliJ Ultimate as it’s only IDE that supports Kotlin. They even have Ktor (Kotlin web framework) plugin available only in Ultimate. For any non-trivial Kotlin development you need to have Ultimate.

> you need to pay for IntelliJ Ultimate as it’s only IDE that supports Kotlin.

That is so stunningly false that I am pretty sure I'm feeding the trolls: https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/blob/idea/24... (Apache 2)

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Flutter Founder here. I'm very pro open-source, and pro taking-action, so hopefully good things will come out of it. I think this particular author is mostly stirring up a bunch of noise and does not represent a significant chunk of the community, but we'll see. :shrug:

> :shrug: Is it time for HN to finally support Slack-style emojis?

I'd want them to fix this nonsense first https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc

I'm almost positive you, personally, could implement support for those emoji short codes via Violentmonkey

Re: We're forking Flutter

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The thing I dislike about Dart and some other language like Swift or Ruby is that they only have one application. With Dart you write Flutter aps. With Swift you write iOS apps. With Ruby you write Rails apps. Java, C#, Rust, C, C++, Go, Python are usable for more than one thing. I am not saying Dart and Flutter aren't nice, but for sure I would love to see Dart extending to more than just Flutter and making Dart usa…

C# port of Flutter would be a dream.

Well, I hear that there's a foundation for it, so: new leadership, new rules. I can't tell from the outside how much of Flutter/Flock is deeply tied to Dart versus it just happens to be a bespoke language because 20% Time exists

Re: We're forking Flutter

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In a previous company when we were looking at precisely this problem, building out multiple platform support, we did UX studies where this question in particular came up. The vast majority of people said they wanted apps to act consistently across devices. Most people on the planet use Windows with Android, statistically speaking, which are not similar devices at all, at least on Apple platforms you can use Swift for…

> The vast majority of people said they wanted apps to act consistently across devices You shouldn’t trust what users say they want. It many times doesn’t correlate with what they want. Certainly, I would try and figure out what they mean with “act consistently”. My suspicion (for which I have zero evidence) is that they’re more talking about high-level similarity than about nitty-gritty details such as how many mill…

> You shouldn’t trust what users say they want.

How should I interpret the following four paragraphs where you say what you want?

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