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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by wtallis »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #588
jjtheblunt wrote: post #570

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> Apple is only "green" in their presentations - in reality they care more about inifite sales only. needs citation. I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing.

>I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing. Then please tell us why they can't put a HDMI/DP input on the iMac to be usable as an external monitor when the internal computer dies or just to be used as a secondary monitor? Or why the SSD NAND on Macbooks needs to be soldered when a guy on youtube managed to…

> when a guy on youtube managed to hack an NVME connector on the motherboard to make the storage replaceable and expandable?

Link? I've seen several instances of third-party repair shops doing BGA swaps to replace the NAND with larger packages from other Apple products. I've seen one instance of somebody making a pair of custom boards, one soldering down to the original NAND BGA pads to provide a slot, and the other board slotting into that one to hold the scavenged BGA packages in an easily-replaced module. But I haven't seen anyone retrofit an off the shelf NVMe device to operate as primary storage for an Apple Silicon machine.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by Allybag »

mysteria wrote: post #598
dlevine wrote: post #348

I'm surprised they are still shipping these with 256GB of storage base. I had a Macbook with a ~500GB SSD in 2012 (I installed it), and a 500GB spinning disk in like 2008 (also user installed). A 500GB SSD can be had for <$50 these days, and a 1TB for <$100. Still plenty of profit for Apple, even if they bump up the base storage to 512GB and make 1TB a $200 upgrade...

Do regular users use more than 250GB or so of local storage? Large media collections are likely stored on a NAS or external HDDs and the local disk is more for the OS, apps, and scratch space. Nowadays many files are on the cloud as well. Developers, video editors, and other people who actually handle large amounts of data locally will likely purchase an upgrade. While they're Linux systems pretty much all my desktop…

I think “regular users” are very unlikely to use any sort of external drive, other than maybe some sort of cloud service.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by notinmykernel »

stephenr wrote: post #576
notinmykernel wrote: post #569

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I like the magic mouse, and I care that I can't charge it while using it. I also care that I have to activate bluetooth in order to use it, even if it's plugged in. Same with the keyboard. WTFF.

Are you sure about the keyboard? Mine disconnects from BT when it's plugged in (and continues to work)

You still have to switch it "on" which means it is emitting a BT signal. It leaves users vulnerable to keylogging via BT. It's well-attested and was reported to Apple in Q4 2022.

Ideally the on/off switch would not control both the power and BT.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by seabird »

exe34 wrote: post #425
seabird wrote: post #355

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Most of the world is x86/Windows machines, developers included. I would bet that for every MacBook issued there's at least a hundred Precision/Latitude/ThinkPad/Optiplex machines that went into someone's hands. The Apple hard-on is from a specific region and culture where the technical "elites" have made a bajillion dollars working on shitty phone apps and other such light work where it's possible for your trackpad/k…

> It sounds a bit mean-spirited, but I think it's pretty telling that as the gravity of the work increases, you see less and less Apple products being used to do it. it does sound like envy. I hate macos post 10.8ish myself, but the hardware is pretty solid. my 12 year old Mac book air would be enough for my work although I have to use a windows laptop issued by work. I don't want to dox myself, but I'd say my work i…

There's definitely some envy -- the hardware is beyond solid. It's definitely bordering on the best there is if it isn't already there. macOS as a computing environment is just too far off the beaten path in too many ways to realistically deal with, which is why Windows absolutely dominates everything everywhere that isn't Bay Area web-based software companies. Not to say that Windows is particularly good, but for most people that actually need to drop $2500+ on a computer, it's probably better.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by downrightmike »

baron816 wrote: post #48
minimaxir wrote: post #3

16GB base RAM, they finally did it. They also did move the Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse to USB-C.

Now if only they could figure out how to allow charging the Magic Mouse while it’s being used. I guess that technology is still years away.

Just buy two at the low low cost of double the price

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by crazygringo »

jibbers wrote: post #639
rzzzt wrote: post #554

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If you have the inclination and skills, it can be converted to an absolutely-zero-smartness display using an LCD driver board (this example conversion log used the A1419's housing with a separately purchased display panel): https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/diy-5k-monitor-success....

Absolutely do this. I built one and use it connected to a MacBook Pro. Building it was straightforward and 99% plug-and-play.

Someone needs to turn iMac-to-monitor conversion into a small business. At least in major cities, since packing up an iMac for shipping is not easy or fun if you don't have the original box anymore.

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Post by alpaca128 »

jrmg wrote: post #591
tjoff wrote: post #583

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The iMac are the perfect example though. The horror of putting a DVI/HDMI port on that thing seemed so horrendous that they'd rather let the whole thing go to waste. Reading OP it seems like this has been corrected? But generation of generation of devices didn't have any sensible reason to exist. Apple is also the king of integrated batteries. First with phones, then with laptops. I'm still baffled they got away with…

This would require additional hardware in every iMac sold. Many people (I suspect the vast majority) would not reuse the iMacs as displays. Would the total amount of extra hardware inside discarded iMacs (those not used as displays) be less than the amount of hardware saved by reuse of the others?

> Many people [...] would not reuse the iMacs as displays.

They could resell them as displays, given the resale value of Apple devices that might not be unpopular. If Apple actually cared they could easily add the hardware necessary. Would it cost them a few bucks more? Sure, but that's what choosing environment over maximum profit means.

Or they could at least make it easy to modify so tinkerers can quickly turn it into a display without having to destroy the case or something.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by crazygringo »

mysteria wrote: post #598
dlevine wrote: post #348

I'm surprised they are still shipping these with 256GB of storage base. I had a Macbook with a ~500GB SSD in 2012 (I installed it), and a 500GB spinning disk in like 2008 (also user installed). A 500GB SSD can be had for <$50 these days, and a 1TB for <$100. Still plenty of profit for Apple, even if they bump up the base storage to 512GB and make 1TB a $200 upgrade...

Do regular users use more than 250GB or so of local storage? Large media collections are likely stored on a NAS or external HDDs and the local disk is more for the OS, apps, and scratch space. Nowadays many files are on the cloud as well. Developers, video editors, and other people who actually handle large amounts of data locally will likely purchase an upgrade. While they're Linux systems pretty much all my desktop…

Exactly this.

Regular users keep their photos and videos in the cloud these days, whether iCloud or Google Drive.

And video editors are going to be using external drives anyways, the internal SSD is just for scratch.

If Macs were used more for gaming then that would be a major reason... but they're not.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by Koshkin »

doublepg23 wrote: post #556
WillPostForFood wrote: post #366

Right now, the Apple computer lineup is totally out of alignment for me. The iMac is too small and the laptops are too big. I'd like a minimum 27" display for the iMac, maybe 31". For a laptop, give me something more portable, like the old 2 pound, 12" MacBook.

Why not get a Mac Mini and external 32” display? It should be refreshed this week with rumors of a redesign.

Not if you want an M4
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