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Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by standardUser »

prmoustache wrote: post #651
standardUser wrote: post #409

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I'd never seriously date someone if we couldn't be totally open and honest about our sexual histories and desires, etc. I think you're referring to a specific motivation some people have about wanting to know such information that is based on shame/insecurity/prudishness. Don't discount that some people want to share these things with their partner because it creates more intimacy and/or is hot.

sharing != asking

Of course I'll ask once we've achieved an appropriate level of intimacy to discuss such topics.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by marcandre »

makeitdouble wrote: post #280
RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #242

What I find fascinating/disturbing with OnlyFans and in some way with Twitch and streaming in general is more the client side than the creators. Here are basically people paying, and paying a lot, for parasocial relationships. Because clearly it’s not about the content per see which is a dim a dozen and available for free in trove. I think it says something quite dark about our society as a whole that we have basical…

> Because clearly it’s not about the content per see which is a dim a dozen and available for free in trove. I think you should step back and look at it with a bit of distance. Is the content they're paying for really the same as you think is available for free, and do they even get it under the same conditions, in morality and circumstance. Not knowing your life, it feels like you could have said the same towards pe…

> it feels like you could have said the same towards people buying pricy concert tickets when there's royalty free music abundantly available.

The analogy holds. Most people don't pay concert tickets for the music itself. It's the experience, the crowd, the physical presence of the artists, etc.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by luckylion »

aqme28 wrote: post #604
taikobo wrote: post #525

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The part that they delete their account immediately afterwards?

Buyers remorse after purchasing pornography? I don't know why you're surprised.

I suppose that hinges on what "a lot" means in that comment. If it's "a lot" in absolute values, that's very plausible. If it's "a lot" as a percentage, OnlyFans would have to have a high rate of account closures.

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Post by alt227 »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #603
alt227 wrote: post #475

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No I dont consider myself so important that I am above interacting with anybody, nor do I think my opinions are better or more correct than anybody elses. I think even if you were to spend your life just getting to know and educating 1 bigotted person so much so that they change they views just a little, that would be a life well spent.

Why are the bigoted people so important that it's worth wasting a perfectly good life appealing to them? Fuck em. Progress happens when a new idea achieves enough cultural cache that the expressing the backwards view becomes a fringe belief, worthy of ostracization. 30 years ago, gay marriage was a contentious issue. Today, it's sociopolitical suicide to oppose it. Before that it was women entering the workforce, or…

Because if everybody had the same attitude as that, this world would be a horrible place to exist.

History judges people on how they treat the people they disagree with.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by Demiurge »

knodi123 wrote: post #514
Demiurge wrote: post #450

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Dtaisk Afai. Cof Lemma, 19:1, 2, 549-552 / https://www.jstor.org/stable/25414613 Let me first give you four quotations. Firstly: “Our youth loves luxury, has bad manners, disregards authority, and has no respect whatsoever for age. Our children today are tyrants; they do not get up when an elderly man enters the room—they talk back to their parents—they are just very bad.” Secondly: “I no longer have any hope for the…

Firstly: The Plato quote is fake - It was crafted by a student, Kenneth John Freeman, for his Cambridge dissertation published in 1907. Secondly: Hesiod was right, his culture no longer exists. ;-) Thirdly: Yep, that quote is fake too. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/10/22/world-end/ Can't find any sources on that fourth one, but I suggest that the British Medical Journal might want to update their article.

Good to know, appreciate the review :)

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #576
BizarroLand wrote: post #543

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It seems to be 1.3% of all hourly workers: https://usafacts.org/articles/minimum-wage-america-how-many-... However, that figure doesn't include the people who make a dime over minimum wage. 23.3% of American households earn less than $35,000/yr https://www.statista.com/statistics/203183/percentage-distri... This number would decrease dramatically if our national minimum wage was raised to $15 or more per hour.

Why should there be a national minimum wage? Cost of living varies so much, it is impossible to derive a figure that is reasonable for the highest cost of living areas and the lowest cost of living areas.

Not only is it basically impossible to do a national minimum wage fairly, it is completely antithetical to our system of government. We are a federation of states, not a centralized national government that runs everything else. I wish people would stop trying to make the US something it isn't and was never meant to be.

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Post by zpeti »

makeitdouble wrote: post #280
RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #242

What I find fascinating/disturbing with OnlyFans and in some way with Twitch and streaming in general is more the client side than the creators. Here are basically people paying, and paying a lot, for parasocial relationships. Because clearly it’s not about the content per see which is a dim a dozen and available for free in trove. I think it says something quite dark about our society as a whole that we have basical…

> Because clearly it’s not about the content per see which is a dim a dozen and available for free in trove. I think you should step back and look at it with a bit of distance. Is the content they're paying for really the same as you think is available for free, and do they even get it under the same conditions, in morality and circumstance. Not knowing your life, it feels like you could have said the same towards pe…

> Not knowing your life, it feels like you could have said the same towards people buying pricy concert tickets when there's royalty free music abundantly available.

Wow, What a great analogy. That really is almost the same except not with music but sexual attraction.

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Post by standardUser »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #368
itishappy wrote: post #309

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How is that particularly different from, say, concerts? The social aspects are what drives value.

This comparison is backwards. Listening to music performed in person by other humans is the natural way of things, like actually having sex with another human. Recorded music is much more like pornography.

There is plenty of live streaming porn as well. Not to mention live sex shows.

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Post by kreims »

RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #242

What I find fascinating/disturbing with OnlyFans and in some way with Twitch and streaming in general is more the client side than the creators. Here are basically people paying, and paying a lot, for parasocial relationships. Because clearly it’s not about the content per see which is a dim a dozen and available for free in trove. I think it says something quite dark about our society as a whole that we have basical…

The disturbing societal implications speak for themselves. Personally, I suspect a significant fraction of transactions on Only Fans or “influencer” platforms are money laundering or social engineering campaigns by deeply resourced actors. There may be a large number of clients that are bots making random subscriptions to keep the network alive and large enough to make moving targeted funds harder to observe.

A plausible scenario might be an FBI agent paying a confidential informant without creating an unexplained income stream. The FBI and friends disclosed spending around $0.5B on informants. The truth could be more. We don’t know what other agencies around the world spend. I imagine they aren’t putting cash in brown bags under park benches.

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Post by throwanem »

agumonkey wrote: post #639
throwanem wrote: post #598

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I'd be fascinated to see an ethnological elaboration of this concept, but nothing's turning up so far - not surprising, I think, but I wonder if you could point to something.

Ethical sex? I couldn't talk long with the kids but I assume they took physical safety and freedom as only important aspect when approaching onlyfans. Teen girl idol can spread her legs if she wants to and no one can take advantage (unlike the pre me too era)

Okay, but what I'm really looking for is the account given by its adherents.

I want to hear in their own terms, because I genuinely don't know if I can understand the idea in terms of my own experience. I can make it make sense to me, sure; anyone can do that with almost anything. I don't have a guide to how closely that would correspond to the sense made of it by the people who actually pursue it. Third-party opinions don't actually count for much there, but this might also be too new a thing to have been studied.

I don't know. It seems to me like it would have to be terribly lonely and unfulfilling. But that might just be in comparison with my own pre-Internet experience, or maybe something I'm entirely missing.

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