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Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by xenic »

fuzztester wrote: post #484
andrewflnr wrote: post #400

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Not-so-subtly mocking the top-level for not replying "yet", when they replied almost immediately after with a video of the relevant workflow, was not a move that made you look smart or nice.

>when they replied almost immediately after with a video of the relevant workflow Wow. Such wrong claims. I had already replied to you in a sibling comment, refuting your points, but will give one more proof (not that I really need to): _acco, the top level commenter relevant to this discussion, commented at some time, say x. layer8 commented, replying to _acco, 7 hours ago (as can be seen on the page at the time of…

2 hours in a discussion forum, where the discussion spans days or sometimes weeks is certainly an ”almost immediate” response.

Perception of time is subjective.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by fsflover »

jononor wrote: post #545
InDubioProRubio wrote: post #516

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You are paying, the same way you paid for stack overflow.. you become part of the process, ask follow up questions, deepening the knowledge of the system. The same applies to AI. The old learning material is gone, your interaction is now the new learning material and ground truth. PS: Hourly rates for sw engineers: Range:€11 - €213 - so one hour on stackoverflow, searching and sub-querying resolving problems costs yo…

And unlike Stack Overflow, which is available to everyone online and has an open content license, the IP the users of the ChatGPT style services is entirely proprietary to the company. I am not interested in feeding their machine with my brainpower. On the other hand, I happily contribute to Stack Overflow, and open source software+hardware. I do not think I will integrate LLM into my engineering workflow until there…

> I am not interested in feeding their machine with my brainpower

How about DDG AI Chat? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=DuckDuckGo+AI+Chat&ia=chat&duckai=...

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by Rinzler89 »

cambaceres wrote: post #655
jazzyjackson wrote: post #634

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Are you making several times as much money? IME LLMs are great at giving you the experience of learning, in the same way sugar gives you the experience of nourishment

No but I can work 2-3 hours a day (WFH) while delivering results that my boss is very happy with. I would prefer to be paid 3 times as much and working 8 hours a day, but I'm ok with this too.

Like with all productivity gains in history, this won't last too long once management realizes this and squeezes deadlines by 2-3x since it will be expected for everyone to use LLMs at work to get things done 2-3 faster than before.

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Post by paretoer »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #218
spacemanspiff01 wrote: post #93

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So I am a neophite in this area, but my thesis for why "this time is different" compared to previous AI bubbles is that this time there exist a bunch of clear products (or paths to products) that work and only require what is currently available in terms of technology. Coding assistants today are useful, image generation is useful, speach recognition/generation is useful. All of these can support businesses, even in…

> this time there exist a bunch of clear products Really? I work in AI and my biggest concern is that I don't see any real products coming out of this space. I work closer to the models, and people in this specific area are making progress, but when I look at what's being done down stream I see nothing , save demos that don't scale beyond a few examples. > in the 80s there were less defined products, amd most everyth…

IMO the unreasonable uselessness of LLMs is because for most tasks involving language the accuracy needs to be unbelievably high to have any real value at all.

We just don't have that.

We have autocomplete on steroids and many people are fooling themselves that if you just take more steroids you will get better and better results. The metaphor is perfect because if you take more and more steroids you get less and less results.

It is why in reality we have had almost no progress since April 2023 and chatGPT 4.

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Post by svaha1728 »

dax_ wrote: post #607
cdelsolar wrote: post #599

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I don’t think you’ve used LLMs enough. They are revolutionary, every day. As a coder I’m several times more productive than I was before, especially when trying to learn some new library or language.

Do you perhaps have some resources on how you use AI assistants for coding (I'm assuming Github Copilot). I've been trying it for the past months, and frankly, it's barely helping me at all. 95% of the time the suggestions are just noise. Maybe as a fast typer it's less useful, I just wonder why my experience is so different than what others are saying. So maybe it's because I'm not using it right?

Don’t work in large established code bases. Make flappy bird games in Python.

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Post by hobs »

futureshock wrote: post #647
nottorp wrote: post #626

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> But as to the hype, we are in a brief pause before the election where no company wants to release anything that would hit the news cycle in a bad way and cause knee-jerk legislation. The knee-jerk legislation has mostly been caused by Altman's statements though. So I wouldn't call it knee-jerk, but an attempt by OpenAI to get a legally granted monopoly.

They are definitely working on that, but it needs to be the right kind of knee-jerk legislation, something that gives them regulatory capture. They can’t afford to lose control of the narrative and end up regulated to death.

Given enough money the united states government will capitulate to anyone; hell they didn't even finish prosecuting Scientology.

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Post by staticman2 »

pdimitar wrote: post #523
adastra22 wrote: post #335

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> We don't have a "real AI" at all. Where's Skynet, where's HAL-9000? Where are the cute robotic butlers from the "I, Robot" movie? You shouldn’t use science fiction as your reference point. It’s like saying “where is my flying car?” (Helicopters exist)

Why shouldn't I? Humans developed this intelligence naturally (as far as we know). Many people claim we're intelligent enough to repeat the process with artificial organisms, and guide it, and perfect it. I want to see it. And btw in the Terminator novelizations it was clearly stated that Skynet was a very good optimization machine but lacked creativity. So it's actually a good benchmark: can we create an intelligent…

>>>very good optimization machine but lacked creativity

Inventing a fricken time machine wasn't creative?

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Post by pdimitar »

staticman2 wrote: post #668
pdimitar wrote: post #523

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Why shouldn't I? Humans developed this intelligence naturally (as far as we know). Many people claim we're intelligent enough to repeat the process with artificial organisms, and guide it, and perfect it. I want to see it. And btw in the Terminator novelizations it was clearly stated that Skynet was a very good optimization machine but lacked creativity. So it's actually a good benchmark: can we create an intelligent…

>>>very good optimization machine but lacked creativity Inventing a fricken time machine wasn't creative?

I know right? :D That always bothered me as well.

In the novelizations it was written that Skynet could not adapt to humans not running away or not vacating territories after they have been defeated. One of the quotes was: "Apparently it underestimated something that it kept analyzing even now: the human willpower." I've read this as Skynet not being able to adapt against guerilla warfare -- the hit-and-run/hide tactics.

But the TL;DR was that Skynet was basically playing something like StarCraft as if it played against another bot, and ultimately lost because it played against humans. That was the "Skynet was not creative" angle in the novelizations.

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Post by zombot »

Such bad timing! As I was just about to replace my dentist, my oncologist, my GP, my tax attorney, and my investment banker with CrapGPT, expecting baldness and cancer to be cured by tomorrow, not to mention a get-rich-quick scheme for everybody and their grandmother. Son, I am disappoint.
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