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Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by joshcryer »

big-green-man wrote: post #619
bdcravens wrote: post #580

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was he trying to stick it to the man, or find a way to enrich himself off of content that people were already sharing? There's a lot of retcon-ing those like him, Ross Ulbricht, etc as freedom fighters, when the truth is they were simply capitalists.

You can fight for freedom while being a capitalist. In fact, you can fight for freedom with capitalism.

If there were no copyright capitalists would find a way to invent it, so nah. Infringing copyright is just robber baron stuff from a capitalist perspective. A profiteer, maybe, but not a capitalist.

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Post by epolanski »

throwaway290 wrote: post #424
epolanski wrote: post #386

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I don't think your point stands. How would US citizens would feel if another country, say China, wanted to extradite a US citizen because he allegedly violated Chinese copyright law? Dotcom is absolutely right in saying that US is playing world police.

> How would US citizens would feel if another country, say China, wanted to extradite a US citizen Probably how Swedish citizens felt when China 'extradited' Gui Minhai. At least in US you have due process? See also https://safeguarddefenders.com/en/blog/230000-policing-expan... . > US is playing world police NZ and US have a bunch of shared laws, trade and extradition agreements and stuff. It's not like US dropped i…

US copyright laws *are not* international law.

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Post by Cody-99 »

stainablesteel wrote: post #118
preaching5271 wrote: post #24

I appreciate Kim Dotcom for running MegaUpload and later Mega, in a time when the internet was younger and wilder. Also for his pirate spirit and "stick it to the man" attitude. But everything has a limit, specifically his resistance against the law, even if he hid it behind virtues. I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. Isn't it wiser to sto…

not really, his website was based on hong kong, this is a fight against america playing world police, which i'm on board with they have no business going after just a single man so fervently, he's a foreign national and the websites weren't based in the US

Being based in a foreign country doesn't mean you aren't committing a crime. Cyber criminals, drug traffickers, money launders, etc are all still on the hook even though they operate in a different country.

Also what he was doing is also a crime in NZ otherwise he wouldn't be extradited.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by mhh__ »

chgs wrote: post #652
ProofHouse wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not pirating. It’s transformative and fair use. Derivative even in some cases. Each piece of content is but a grain of sand on an island. It’s called the open internet.

I my country making a copy of copyrighted works is illegal unless you have permission from the copyright holder. It’s impossible to use a copyrighted work to train without making a copy of it.

So how do browser caches work then?

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by ofrzeta »

burningChrome wrote: post #589
halyconWays wrote: post #429

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There's no evidence that piracy causes any type of harm to these multi-trillion dollar American entertainment conglomerates. Moving heaven and earth to extract a citizen from another country using the power of the state, and drag him before their feet is tyrannical.

>> There's no evidence that piracy causes any type of harm to these multi-trillion dollar American entertainment conglomerates. Not sure if you know this, but there are tens of thousands of people involved in making a movie or TV series. Many making minimum wage and many who own businesses that are employed by the studios like catering companies. Or transportation companies, or even all the companies who tech they us…

So you think if we put more billions into the entertainment industry then at some point the minimum wage people will get decent pay?

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Post by Suppafly »

preaching5271 wrote: post #24

I appreciate Kim Dotcom for running MegaUpload and later Mega, in a time when the internet was younger and wilder. Also for his pirate spirit and "stick it to the man" attitude. But everything has a limit, specifically his resistance against the law, even if he hid it behind virtues. I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. Isn't it wiser to sto…

unrelated, but why is your username a different color than the others in this thread?

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Post by zamubafoo »

dangus wrote: post #660
halyconWays wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no evidence that piracy causes any type of harm to these multi-trillion dollar American entertainment conglomerates. Moving heaven and earth to extract a citizen from another country using the power of the state, and drag him before their feet is tyrannical.

There is a ton of evidence. Ask Snoop Dogg how much money he gets from streaming compared to CD sales. Look at how badly industry revenue has collapsed. It literally never recovered fully since Napster. https://www.statista.com/chart/17244/us-music-revenue-by-for... It is an industry that employs real people from artists to studio engineers to musical instrument and equipment companies to the bartenders at the venues…

Streaming is not piracy though?

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by rowanG077 »

jrflowers wrote: post #555
gliiics wrote: post #513

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, and in fact I did not compare them. I asked an entirely different question. You can re-read the first line of my comment if you think I'm putting those two things on the same level, and you will see that I agree with: > He was a commercial opportunist, not a real activist or whistleblower.

What is the point of asking that question if you strictly intended no comparison between the subject of the post you’re replying to and the people you mentioned? It is like posting “You have interesting thoughts about Kim Dotcom. What is better, paragliding or parasailing?”

It's not. They were attacking an argument made in the original comment. That argument had no reason to only apply to Kim dotcom. It applies to everyone. The poster attacked the logic behind that argument using a few different people as examples.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by dangus »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #218

The US seems to have this knack of sliding itself into this narrow gap between individuals they're idealistically pursuing and something worse. "If I could just slip in there, ooh, that's tight, yes, thank you, aah comfy, this feels like where I belong". In their desperate attempt to not lose a fight that's been going on for, what, 10 years? 15 years? They're increasingly looking like a child that cannot move on from…

Here's a thought experiment for you: if you were raped, would you want the government to give up prosecuting your rapist just because 10 or 15 years passed before they could locate them?

I'm not saying that this crime is on the same level, but Megaupload was at one time responsible for 4% of the entire Internet's piracy activity. And it wasn't a non-profit peer-to-peer file sharing community like The Pirate Bay or anything like that, it was a for-profit corporation directly profiting from stolen IP. Kim built himself a gigantic mansion off of other people's work.

And he certainly had the means and ability to consult with lawyers who almost certainly told him that what he was doing was incredibly risky.

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Post by mesmertech »

Suppafly wrote: post #666
preaching5271 wrote: post #24

I appreciate Kim Dotcom for running MegaUpload and later Mega, in a time when the internet was younger and wilder. Also for his pirate spirit and "stick it to the man" attitude. But everything has a limit, specifically his resistance against the law, even if he hid it behind virtues. I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. Isn't it wiser to sto…

unrelated, but why is your username a different color than the others in this thread?

its that color for people who recently signed up
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