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OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by treme »

jajko wrote: post #580
treme wrote: post #488

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Please. Elon's track record to take tesla from concept car stage to current mass production levels and building SpaceX from scratch is hardly comparable to Altman's track record.

But he is a manager, not an engineer although he sells himself off as such. He keeps smart capable folks around, abuses most of them pretty horribly, and when he intervenes with products its hit and miss. For example latest Tesla Model 3 changes must have been pretty major fuckup and there is no way he didn't ack it all. Plus all self-driving lies and more lies well within fraud territory at this point. Not even goin…

"A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticize work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities—all these are marks, not ... of superiority but of weakness.”

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Post by w0m »

genevra wrote: post #581
hackernewds wrote: post #464

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the name OpenAI itself reminds me every day of this.

I knew their vision of open source AI wouldn't last but it surprised me how fast it was.

It was impractical from the start; they had to pivot before a they were able to get an LLM proper out (before ~anyone had heard of them)

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Post by jerrygenser »

jimnotgym wrote: post #398

>the company will succeed at developing AI systems that make most human labor obsolete. Hmmmn. Most of the humans where I work do things physically with their hands. I don't see what AI will achieve in their area. Can AI paint the walls in my house, fix the boiler and swap out the rotten windows? If so I think a subscription to chat GPT is very reasonably priced!

Robots that are powered by AI might be able to.

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Post by KyleOneill »

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #612
treme wrote: post #488

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Please. Elon's track record to take tesla from concept car stage to current mass production levels and building SpaceX from scratch is hardly comparable to Altman's track record.

SpaceX didn’t start from scratch. Their initial designs were based on NASA designs. Stop perpetuating the “genius engineer” myth around Elon Musk.

I feel like Steve Jobs also fits this category if we are going to talk about people who aren't really worthy of genius title and used other people's accomplishments to reach their goals.

We all know it as the engineers who made iPhone possible.

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Post by treme »

colibri727 wrote: post #660
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #612

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SpaceX didn’t start from scratch. Their initial designs were based on NASA designs. Stop perpetuating the “genius engineer” myth around Elon Musk.

Altman is riding a new tech wave, and his team has a couple of years' head start. Musk's reusable rockets were conceptualized a long time ago (Tintin's Destination Moon dates back to 1953) and could have become a reality several decades ago.

You seriously trying to take his credit away for reusable rocket with "nu uh, it was in scifi first?" Wow.

"A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticize work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities—all these are marks, not ... of superiority but of weakness.”

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Post by colibri727 »

w0m wrote: post #659
boppo1 wrote: post #634

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Idk, everyone loves Carmack

Carmack did his thing 40 years ago; before social media was as prevalent. I'm sure if the community was as large and talkative then as they were today; you'd find many detractors.

What about Palmer Luckey ? I don't think he received a lot of criticism before he founded Anduril Industries.

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Post by benreesman »

nar001 wrote: post #625
whoistraitor wrote: post #462

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Indeed. I’ve heard first hand accounts that would make it impossible for me to trust him. He’s very good at the game. But I’d not want to touch him with a barge pole.

Any stories or events you can talk about? It sounds interesting

The New Yorker piece is pretty terrifying and manages to be so while bending over backwards to present both sides of not maybe even suck up to SV a bit. Certainly no one forced Altman to say on the record that Ice Nine in the water glass was what he had planned for anyone who crossed him, and no one forced pg to say, likewise on the record that “Sam’s real talent is becoming powerful” or something to that effect.

It pretty much goes downhill from there.

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Post by benreesman »

throwaway598 wrote: post #250
Buttons840 wrote: post #214

So part of their compensation for working is equity, and when they leave thay have to sign an additional agreement in order to keep their previously earned compensation? How is this legal? Mine as well tell them they have to give all their money back too. What's the consideration for this contract?

That OpenAI are institutionally unethical. That such a young company can be become rotten so quickly can only be due to leadership instruction or leadership failure.

To borrow the catchphrase of one of my favorite hackers ever: “correct”.

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Post by colibri727 »

candiddevmike wrote: post #313
xpe wrote: post #274

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Want to share your model? Or is this more like a hunch?

We need to cut emissions, but AGI research/development is going to increase energy usage dramatically amongst all the players involved. For now, this mostly means more natural gas power. Thus accelerating our emissions instead of reducing them. For something that will not reduce the emissions long term. IMO, we should pause this for now and put these resources (human and capital) towards reducing the impact of global…

Or we could use microwaves to drill holes as deep as 20km to tap geothermal energy anywhere in the world

https://www.quaise.energy/

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