Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by Aloisius » Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 9:53 PM UTC

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #586

samatman wrote: post #544

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Nonsense. The term "customer in good standing" has a well-established legal tradition in contract law. You're just making stuff up. https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/customer-in-good-stand...

No business is using this term in real life, but it's heavily used by cults.

Uh. I assure you, the term is widely used by companies and governments.

Source:

"Your PG&E residential account is in good standing at the time of the outage and at the time PG&E issues payment" - https://www.pge.com/en/outages-and-safety/outage-preparednes...

"Must remain on qualifying service in good standing for duration of EIP agreement." - https://www.t-mobile.com/accessories/category/mounts-docks-a...

"Request for Certificate of Good Standing" - https://cand.uscourts.gov/attorneys/request-for-certificate-...

"Tangerine may reject the overpayment and your Account may not be considered to be in Good Standing." - https://www.tangerine.ca/en/legal/credit-card-cardholder-agr...

"Use this form to pay the United States Tax Court to order a Certificate of Good Standing" - https://www.pay.gov/public/form/start/802285219

"Your account must be in good standing to sign up" - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/899060/y...

"To maintain status as a member in good standing, SCCs must notify the SCC program manager of any changes to information collected to administer the program." - https://www.sw.siemens.com/en-US/community-catalyst-program/

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by kayodelycaon » Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 9:53 PM UTC

jijijijij wrote: post #548

pmontra wrote: post #472

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> I am intrigued by what kind of drugs the PR team at Apple is taking No drugs. PR teams write what helps their company to succeed. They don't have to believe into what they write.

> They don't have to believe into what they write. Imagine the level of sociopathy required for the job. Truly soulless, despicable work, but I almost feel sorry for them. Like, could they even form an authentic human connection anymore, when they have sold out, given up so much humanity to an indifferent market creature? How would you feel about an "I love you" coming from someone payed to lie and manipulate?

Personally, I’d write it if it was my job. And then bitch about it to my friends and we can roll our eyes.

Just like any stupid thing I’m asked to do.

Actually I’d be much happier writing that than dealing with ticket YJ-2934 hanging out in Jira.

I don’t need to be a sick, deprived sociopath.

Then again, I still happily buy and use Apple products. They’ll get over their pointless tempter tantrum at some point. I hope.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 9:54 PM UTC

noiseinvacuum wrote: post #507

Malicious compliance attempt number 2 from Apple. This is clearly not complaint with DMA and there's no way that Apple doesn't know that. The core issue is that Apple doesn't want to give away the absolute god-like control over how apps are distributed on iPhone and they can't be compliant until they let go. I am guessing this is going to get dragged on with 3rd version of Apple policies coming out soon after they ge…

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by warkdarrior » Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 9:55 PM UTC

14 wrote: post #650

sebtron wrote: post #77

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That would be great! I'd love to just be able to make and app and let Iphone users get it, without Apple having any business in it.

I would love that. I have recently tried downloading a few apps for different reasons and every single all is locked away, for any useful features, behind in app purchases. I remember the days back when iPhone first came out you could find apps and no such thing as purchasing features. It dawned on me that my iPhone is a pretty shitty platform unlike my Pc where I can download many free open source projects made by p…

> I have recently tried downloading a few apps for different reasons and every single all is locked away, for any useful features, behind in app purchases.

And you think those developers, once freed from the Apple App Store, will release their apps for free on the web???

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by sublimefire » Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 9:56 PM UTC

tazjin wrote: post #642

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #593

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> When will we stop buying their products? When their competitors finally bother to pay attention to build quality.

Some of them do! Go check out a Huawei store, or, to a lesser degree, a Samsung one. It's true that it might not apply to all their products, because they also cater to people without 6-figure USD equivalent incomes, but you can buy the expensive stuff.

It would be awesome to have a great quality hardware like mentioned but with an easy ability and support for Linux. Windows is just meh.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by asadotzler » Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 9:56 PM UTC

nerdjon wrote: post #178

afavour wrote: post #164

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> so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? How many users actually understand the issues at stake, though? I don't say that to be patronizing but it's a nuanced, thorny problem. I bet if you simply asked "do you think it should be allowed to download porn apps?" a good number of users (if asked anonymously!) would say yes. How many users understand…

> How many users actually understand the issues at stake, though? I don't say that to be patronizing but it's a nuanced, thorny problem. I bet if you simply asked "do you think it should be allowed to download porn apps?" a good number of users (if asked anonymously!) would say yes. How many users understand why they can't subscribe to Netflix through the iOS app? How many know what Apple's cut even is? The iPhone is…

>This isn't hypothetical, if I want to play Fortnite I will have to get the epic game store when that comes out. Is that really a choice for me? Instead of being able to choose if I want to play Fortnite or not, I instead am choosing if I care enough to download an alliterative store. Why is that ok? Instead Epic is making the choice for me, and it is up to me to decide if I care enough.

NO. Apple made the choice to push Epic out of the App Store by force or by cost of rent. Apple makes all the choices here and you're trying to shift blame. Had Apple a 3% fee, Fortnite would be in Apple's App Store but Apple made the choice to charge 30% and refuse sideloading. That's on Apple not Epic but you can't see past your Apple blinders to get the fundamental issue here that Apple controlled everything and the EU is trying to fix some of that. Apple is both the original sin and the ongoing sin here and everyone else is literally the victim, in higher prices and fewer choices-- BECAUSE OF APPLE, not Epic and not the EU.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by willsmith72 » Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 9:57 PM UTC

Ballas wrote: post #6

I just want to be able to install my own apps on my own device without paying $99/year (and with a signature that lasts a reasonable amount of time). Sadly, this doesn't seem to allow for that.

Is a PWA good enough? Depends what you want your app for but most don't need the native-only features limited to native apps

To my users I'm on the app store for ease of installation, that's all. No one knows how to install a PWA.

When I'm building just for me, it's web every time

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by nerdjon » Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 9:57 PM UTC

asadotzler wrote: post #658

nerdjon wrote: post #178

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> How many users actually understand the issues at stake, though? I don't say that to be patronizing but it's a nuanced, thorny problem. I bet if you simply asked "do you think it should be allowed to download porn apps?" a good number of users (if asked anonymously!) would say yes. How many users understand why they can't subscribe to Netflix through the iOS app? How many know what Apple's cut even is? The iPhone is…

>I mean I don't ask my grocery store what their cut is, or target, or any other store It's 1-3% for your grocery store. Compare that to Apple's 30% and maybe you'll wonder why you didn't ask your grocery store sooner, especially if it's a local grocer with an owner and workers you might even personally interact with because they're all scraping by splitting that 1-3% while listening to you defending Apple's 30% cut.…

I swear y'all really like putting words in my mouth. I am not advocating for the 30%, no where am I saying that. I am saying that as the consumer it is not part of my concern.

Just like if I go and buy frozen fries at the grocery store I don't care how much they spent buying the potatoes. That is all the business deals that largely as a consumer is irrelevant to me.

However since you missed the entire line, it is worth mentioning that Steam also takes 30% cut from developers and I believe Microsoft and PlayStation are the same (likely Nintendo but I don't know).

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by nerdjon » Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 9:59 PM UTC

asadotzler wrote: post #666

nerdjon wrote: post #178

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> How many users actually understand the issues at stake, though? I don't say that to be patronizing but it's a nuanced, thorny problem. I bet if you simply asked "do you think it should be allowed to download porn apps?" a good number of users (if asked anonymously!) would say yes. How many users understand why they can't subscribe to Netflix through the iOS app? How many know what Apple's cut even is? The iPhone is…

>This isn't hypothetical, if I want to play Fortnite I will have to get the epic game store when that comes out. Is that really a choice for me? Instead of being able to choose if I want to play Fortnite or not, I instead am choosing if I care enough to download an alliterative store. Why is that ok? Instead Epic is making the choice for me, and it is up to me to decide if I care enough. NO. Apple made the choice to…

And Epic made the choice to try to get around the rules of the store that they chose to enter.

Epic is not without blame for not being on the App Store. They could have played by the rules and not try to get around this rules.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by greazy » Tue, Mar 12, 2024, 10:01 PM UTC

nektro wrote: post #652

bogwog wrote: post #67

> Alternative app marketplaces. Marketplaces can choose to offer a catalog of apps solely from the developer of the marketplace. How does that count as a "marketplace"? > Web Distribution ... will let authorized developers distribute their iOS apps to EU users directly from a website owned by the developer All of this just makes it crystal clear what Apple's goal is: to prevent competition. It's not about security li…

debating about how they run the store is totally valid, but there being only one store absolutely does make iOS safer overall

But does it? I haven't seen any hard evidence, and lots of anecdotal tales of technology illiterate grandparents, fathers and mothers being better off.