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If someone just wanted to be a "propagandist" they wouldn't need to be in Gaza and risk their lives to report from first hand. And we are talking about journalists who have citizenship from many parts of the world.
Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war
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> They could have had their homes back decades ago if they accepted Israeli rule "accepted Israeli rule?!". If Russia decides to occupy your country, would you be so accepting?! Never mind the fact that the West Bank shows exactly what happens when you "accept Israeli rule" - living under a brutal, dehumanising apartheid regime.
Did you know that Israel tried to give Gaza back to Egypt and West Bank back to Jordan? They refused. Palestinians are endless trouble. This is known throughout the Arab world. It's hardly an "occupation". Israel doesn't want it.
> Did you know that Israel tried to give Gaza back to Egypt and West Bank back to Jordan?
This is revisionist history - Gaza was never even part of Egypt! [0] Netanyahu's plans for "Greater Israel" (which includes the West Bank and Gaza) also run contrary to this claim.
> Israel doesn't want it
Israel's actions say otherwise. And let's not forget that Israel continues to illegally occupy land in Lebanon and Syria - they absolutetly want more land, and Gaza would be perfect for a port, some nice beachfront properties etc.
Also, why have they built a road bisecting Gaza? Why are many Israelis discussing the occupation of northern Gaza like it's a done deal? Why are Israelis holding meetings to plan building settlements in Gaza, attended by gov ministers? Why has Israel given out deals to oil companies for fields off the north coast of Gaza?
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That is not at all what I said - are you commenting in good faith? We've also seen no credible evidence that Hamas hides weapons inside of schools, mosques or hospitals.
> We've also seen no credible evidence... We have seen plenty of credible evidence. Just, no evidence that you will accept.
If you're going to make the claim that credible evidence exists, please do share it. Genuinely, I haven't seen anything credible.
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> Gaza is a very dense, urban area, so it's kind of unavoidable This is why Hamas hides weapons inside of schools, mosques and hospitals, according to you?
That is not at all what I said - are you commenting in good faith? We've also seen no credible evidence that Hamas hides weapons inside of schools, mosques or hospitals.
> "That is not at all what I said -"
You literally did say that. In response to:
>> "who deliberately positions military hardware such as rocket launchers in and around civilians and civilian infrastructure"
You said:
> "Gaza is a very dense, urban area, so it's kind of unavoidable."
But ok, if you really are commenting in good faith then also explain why Hamas puts military hardware inside of schools, mosques and hospitals.
Are you one of those people who insist that Israel must have everything signed in triplicate and verified by 20 credible sources while Hamas just has to gesture vaguely?
United Nations Report on Schools: A report from the United Nations confirmed that Hamas stored weapons in UNRWA schools during the conflict in Gaza. Notably, weapons were found in the UNRWA Jabalia Elementary “C” and Ayyobiya Boys School. The report highlighted that it was highly likely that Palestinian armed groups used these premises to hide weapons and, in some cases, to launch attacks. The UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned these actions as unacceptable, stating that such conduct put UN schools at risk
https://www.thetower.org/1955-un-report-confirms-hamas-store...
Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) Evidence: The IDF has released photos showing that terrorist groups placed rocket launchers next to schools in Gaza. This action aligns with long-standing charges against Hamas for using civilian infrastructure for military purposes
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-releases-photos-showing-te...
White House Intelligence on Al Shifa Hospital: The White House disclosed that it had intelligence indicating Hamas was using Gaza's largest hospital, Al Shifa, to run military operations and likely to store weapons. This information suggested that Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad were using some hospitals in the Gaza Strip, including Al Shifa, to support their military operations and possibly to hold hostages. The actions at Al Shifa hospital were described as constituting a war crime
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/white-house-says-i...
Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war
#665Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We've also seen no credible evidence... We have seen plenty of credible evidence. Just, no evidence that you will accept.
If you're going to make the claim that credible evidence exists, please do share it. Genuinely, I haven't seen anything credible.
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Why did they take hostages to begin with. And why did they take them past perfectly fine hospitals? There was no risk.
> Why did they take hostages to begin with Hamas stated their aim very clearly - to have Israeli hostages to trade for the thousands of Palestinian hostages that are held in Israeli dungeons.
Thousands of Palestinian hostages? What are you talking about? Please clarify, as I assume you are not talking about prisoners convicted of terror activities.
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Did you know that Israel tried to give Gaza back to Egypt and West Bank back to Jordan? They refused. Palestinians are endless trouble. This is known throughout the Arab world. It's hardly an "occupation". Israel doesn't want it.
> Did you know that Israel tried to give Gaza back to Egypt and West Bank back to Jordan? This is revisionist history - Gaza was never even part of Egypt! [0] Netanyahu's plans for "Greater Israel" (which includes the West Bank and Gaza) also run contrary to this claim. > Israel doesn't want it Israel's actions say otherwise. And let's not forget that Israel continues to illegally occupy land in Lebanon and Syria - t…
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> Why did they take hostages to begin with Hamas stated their aim very clearly - to have Israeli hostages to trade for the thousands of Palestinian hostages that are held in Israeli dungeons.
Thousands of Palestinian hostages? What are you talking about? Please clarify, as I assume you are not talking about prisoners convicted of terror activities.
> convicted of terror activities
Yes, such as "throwing stones" at armoured vehicles - truly despicable! Many are held without charge too. And many are held under "administrative detention", which means they can be held in a dungeon, without charge, forever. These are not the actions of a modern, progressive, democratic country.
I'm sure that some are imprisoned for good reason, buy many are there for spurious reasons - and none of them should be tortured or subject to sexual abuse, regardless of their supposed crimes.
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#669I appreciate that this is on here and I hope we can collectively handle it. Tech isn't isolated from this situation, as difficult as it is to admit and talk about with civility and care. A US military software engineer even self immolated recently in protest of what's happening. I don't see what's happening in Gaza as being culturally particular to the specific identity groups involved here. It's a very human situati…
Strongly disagree. This platform for tech news should not become a place for political posts, nor even for posting regular news headlines. Yes we know that reddit sucks but stop trying to make hn into reddit. Also the community can't handle it, just look at the handful of comments we already have here.
We see endless posts about the Chinese, the Russians and so on - now it is about Israel though so no more "political posts".
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> that and the fact over 500 Israeli soldiers were killed by Hamas in Gaza so far Israel are the occupying, attacking force, and have massacred thousands of civilians. You want me to care about war criminals, who routinely broadcast their depraved attrocities on TikTok? Come on now.
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